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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:45 pm 
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Uhh.... maybe there's something about this specific Cobra Commander that comes with the HISS that interests me? Maybe it's the unique tooling and look? Oh but I guess I can just shut up about that and stick my 84 CC in, they're really the same thing, by that logic.


What is it that interests you?

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:41 pm 
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diosoth wrote:
Oh but I guess I can just shut up about that
and stick my 84 CC in,
they're really the same thing,
by that logic.


Don't take it like that, I wasn't attacking you, but your '84 CC could use more play time. All our current toys could.
And you're right, they not the same.
I was simply trying to bring a positive point of view on this whole thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:51 pm 
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This doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that all the new single-carded figures look like their web-gear and stuff is molded in as part of the torso.

What WILL bug me is if an as-yet unreleased 25/30A figure (like, say, Frostbite) gets released as a driver with no articulation.

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:30 am 
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General Hawk wrote:
Well, we can only take Hasbro at their word, but according to Derryl DePriest at Toy Fair, using tooling with less parts (meaning less articulation) does indeed save money over simply using less paint apps or re-using old tooling.

One of the interesting balancing points that folks haven't noticed is that because these drivers have less articulation, the vehicles are trending a bit larger than they might have previously, all while keeping pricing consistent. Working with budgets in these things (especially considering licensing for film stuff via Paramount) is always a challenge, and sure, DePriest could have been covering for himself, but I got the impression that yes, reducing articulation absolutely saves them money, and that's the entire reason for the change.


I believe Hasbro in this case. I work for a company that produces products for consumers with multiple facets to the pricing. Changing one little feature of the product changes the entire pricing structure. We often times make reductions in one aspect of the product to allow us improvements on another, and we feel that making that type of change will increase sales.
Hasbro seems to be doing the same type of thing. They remove articulation from certain figures to allow for highly detailed sculpting, larger vehicles, and maintain a reasonable consumer price point.
Whether this move is right or wrong for them remains to be seen.

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:08 pm 
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Jogunwarrior wrote:
General Hawk wrote:
Well, we can only take Hasbro at their word, but according to Derryl DePriest at Toy Fair, using tooling with less parts (meaning less articulation) does indeed save money over simply using less paint apps or re-using old tooling.

One of the interesting balancing points that folks haven't noticed is that because these drivers have less articulation, the vehicles are trending a bit larger than they might have previously, all while keeping pricing consistent. Working with budgets in these things (especially considering licensing for film stuff via Paramount) is always a challenge, and sure, DePriest could have been covering for himself, but I got the impression that yes, reducing articulation absolutely saves them money, and that's the entire reason for the change.


I believe Hasbro in this case. I work for a company that produces products for consumers with multiple facets to the pricing. Changing one little feature of the product changes the entire pricing structure. We often times make reductions in one aspect of the product to allow us improvements on another, and we feel that making that type of change will increase sales.
Hasbro seems to be doing the same type of thing. They remove articulation from certain figures to allow for highly detailed sculpting, larger vehicles, and maintain a reasonable consumer price point.
Whether this move is right or wrong for them remains to be seen.
I tend to think it is a good move for the larger vehicles. While I've liked the drivers with the vehicles, to me the driver was always icing on the cake compared to the vehicle itself. If it keeps the cost down on a good vehicle I'm willing to let it slide. If it starts creeping into the non-action gimmicked figures of the regular line I'll start sharpening my pitch fork.

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:25 pm 
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Have we gotten a price point? The SRP? I know this thread keeps throwing around the "saving cost" idea, but what are we going to be paying for them to be saving cost? Will the SRP be of a higher sticker price than even previous full articulated figures being packed in, or is this going to help keep the cost down on OUR side as well as their side?

Star Wars vehicles are now at a price that I pass on most of them. They don't even come with a figure and are well over $20. I pretty much had enough after getting the Cloud Car and seeing how tiny it was. I think I paid $26.99 and I expected a little more out of it. I know the whole licensing, blah blah blah, thing with Star Wars, but the point is I'm not buying them. It looks like a lot of people are passing too as I see the same stock week after week on those. Most seem to wait for sales and clearances if that.

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:12 pm 
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J_Man wrote:
Star Wars vehicles are now at a price that I pass on most of them. They don't even come with a figure and are well over $20. I pretty much had enough after getting the Cloud Car and seeing how tiny it was. I think I paid $26.99 and I expected a little more out of it. I know the whole licensing, blah blah blah, thing with Star Wars, but the point is I'm not buying them. It looks like a lot of people are passing too as I see the same stock week after week on those. Most seem to wait for sales and clearances if that.


Hasbro Press Release wrote:
G.I. JOE ALPHA VEHICLES Assortment
(Approximate retail price: $12.99; Ages: 4 & up; Available: Summer 2012)
The G.I. JOE ALPHA VEHICLES assortment are the smallest and most covert of the G.I. JOE vehicles made for the 3.75-inch movie figures. These stealth vehicles are outfitted with universal projectiles, launchers, a surprise attack feature, and also come with a realistic articulated ride-on action figure that will help guide you through your action-packed adventures. (Vehicles each sold separately.)

G.I. JOE BRAVO VEHICLES Assortment
(Approximate retail price: $14.99; Ages: 4 & up; Available: Summer 2012)
The G.I. JOE MOVIE BRAVO VEHICLES collection are mid-size vehicles inspired by the upcoming live-action G.I. JOE movie, G.I. JOE: Retaliation. Each represents the most technologically advanced vehicles in the G.I. JOE vs. COBRA arsenal, including the NINJA COMMANDO 4X4 WITH SNAKE EYES and COBRA FANG BOAT WITH SWAMP VIPER. Each vehicle comes with an action figure to help steer your squadron to victory. (Vehicles each sold separately.)

G.I. JOE MOVIE DELTA VEHICLES Assortment
(Approximate retail price: $19.99; Ages: 4 & up; Available: Summer 2012)
The G.I. JOE MOVIE DELTA VEHICLES collection includes the largest hero and villain vehicles inspired by the live-action G.I. JOE movie, G. I. JOE: Retaliation. Each represents the most technologically advanced vehicles in the G.I. JOE vs. COBRA arsenal, including the G.I. JOE GHOST HAWK II and the COBRA H.I.S.S. TANK. Each vehicle comes with an action figure to help steer your squadron to victory. (Vehicles each sold separately.)


Now those are suggested MSRP and don't include the store mark ups.

As for the Cloud Car. That was a tough one for me too. Doesn't even come with a figure. I ended up doing it as a birthday present to myself. The sucky part wasn't the vehicle, it is better than previous versions, it is the added price because of the stupid vintage packaging. With all of the talk about Retaliation packaging it is an avenue I hope Hasbro never goes down with GI Joe. I know I wouldn't spend extra money just to have the old Joe card or box art.

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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:16 pm 
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pluv wrote:
I know I wouldn't spend extra money just to have the old Joe card or box art.


That's an interesting thought. While I agree with you, I think there would be a LOT of people who would buy it with old art. I mean, even though I wouldn't pay extra for it, I do prefer the old art to what we get now.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Just wanted to add my two-cents worth, which is this: my daughter does some free-lance work for Hasbro, not on the Joe line, but that is beside the point. Anyway, she just informed me that Hasbro had to lay off employees, or is in the process of doing so, which may be a legitimate reason for cutting costs on some of their brands, to prevent having to lay off more. That being said, I will probably buy some of the figures just for parts for my customs, and the ones that come with the vehicles will probably donate their headsculpts to better articulated bodies. I would hate seeing Hasbro go the way of Kenner, being sold to another company, as I believe they are the premiere company for mass market toys, and of course are the ones who gave us GI Joe to start with... Like I said though, just my two-cents.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:54 pm 
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At those SRP prices, I can see where the limited articulation figures saved something. We were getting to where Alpha vehicles were approaching $20, so to drop in a brick figure and go $12.99, it does seem to make a difference. That added figure is "play value" for kids and parents thinking they're getting more for their money. But still I wish some of the figures that are going to be disco 70s articulation could get a separate carded figure too. The ones that will be unique characters that is such as Clutch.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:55 pm 
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Even if retailers sell the vehicles suggested retail price (which stores actually sold the Skystriker for $29.99?), I'm not sure we're really seeing a decrease in price. The Alpha vehicles are the motorcycles, whereas the AWE Striker and the Tread Ripper are now in the Bravo class. If I'm not mistaken, the PoC Alpha SRP was $14.99 - though again, I don't think anyone other than HasbroToyShop sold Alphas for that price, and of course, nobody but Ross sold the HISS Scout. Wal-Mart sells the current Bravo vehicles for $20, which now corresponds to the Delta class. Granted, there are improvements (or at least significant changes) to nearly every vehicle being re-released, and that makes it somewhat impressive. Though the HISS is clearly based on the PoC version, I don't think the two share any actual parts in common.


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 Post subject: Re: Retaliation Drivers' articulation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:27 pm 
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If the Bravo vehicles are at the $14.99 mark, it is a $4 decrease. The new VAMP with Clutch/Steel Brigade was at the $19.99 mark. The remade VAMP being at the $14.99 price does put it lower. Of course we will have to see what stores do with it.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:30 pm 
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The ReVAMP is in the Delta class and has the $20 SRP.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:53 pm 
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bithomas wrote:
The ReVAMP is in the Delta class and has the $20 SRP.


Not the way I read it. The "Ninja 4X4 with Snake-eyes" is in the Bravo $14.99 price point. Unless I'm reading it wrong and the Ninja 4x4 is something different than the VAMP with doors we saw at Toyfair.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:58 pm 
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Yes, the Ninja 4x4 is the AWE Striker. The ReVAMP is the Ninja Combat Cruiser.

How could you possibly get those confused??? :rotfl:


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