I was combing through file cards on YOJoe.com, and went through all of Torpedos file cards.

He started out as a WO-4 on his first 1983 card, was then a WO-5 in his 97 version, went back to WO-4 for the rest of his versions up unitl the 25th release.

Heres the rub, his rank on his filecard remains WO-4 (Warrant Officer), but his title/name is now LT Torpedo.

This bothers me, and I know there are plenty of inconsistencies throughout Joedom, but this little attention to detail bothers me a bit.

Are there any other rank/name inconsistencies that bug anybody...besides spelling and grammar .....and Pitt's

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I guess I don't know a lot about the military, I didn't realize the navy had warrant officers,

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They called him "Chief" Torpedo a few years ago - which was another screw-up, since you don't call Navy Warrants "Chief" (that only works with us.)

Anytime they add a rank to a codename, it seems like they dick it up - or it doesn't match the filecard. I think they just recycle elements from Hama's filecards with no idea how the rank structures actually work.

In fact, my biggest [LASER BLAST] is Flint v1's filecard -- he's listed as an E6 -- and that was a Hama gaff, but they repeated it for the 25A figure, which irritates the hell out of me.

So I don't even read the filecards anymore - it's bad enough they've got a ton of E4s running around in a spec ops unit that can fly aircraft and all that other jazz -- nevermind the errors.

Sometimes I miss the ignorant bliss I had as a 10-yr old....

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Yeah, Torpedo serves Warrants during his down time to raise some extra scratch.

Actually since I first saw the figure, I've been waiting for Chief to chime in.

If there is any questions regarding the uses of Warrant Officers, I'd refer to Chief's excellent article in the wiki. I printed it out just so I could have easy access to the info whne I'm working on my custom filecards.




I absolutely hated that in the cartoon episodes i did manage to catch. Didn't Junkyard have his own Skystriker?



Transformers?



Doesn't that become senior moments later on?

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I dont know squat about the military except what I believe to be common knowledge
Flint was the first time I had heard "warrant officer" in regards to the military

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All you need to know is that Warrant Officer=Awesome.

If you require any further info regarding WOs I'd be happy to help, but really, that first sentence is pretty much it

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I found this article via wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_officer

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Doesn't that look like 'WHOA'

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so what is Flint's job exactly , I always thought he was a leader maybe not thee leader but a leader , maybe its because of his beret , when I was a kid anyone with some sort of hat was a leader of course with Sgt Slaughter being the supreme leader because he is the only figure with that kind of hat
Yes I too miss the joys of childhood ignorance
and I also thought the WWF Intercontinental champ was higher than the world champ

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Try this one instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_Of ... ted_States)

The US is just about the only country where the Warrant Officers are actually Commissioned Officers and not senior Enlisted men, so the link you posted could be confusing for US-types. In other countries, a WO is often comparable to a Sergeant Major, so their job descriptions will differ from what we see in the Joe-verse.


Flint's bio has been jacked up through the years. If he were a real person, he'd be a Special Forces Warrant Officer. On an SF "A-team", the WO is the senior technical expert and basically the crusty old hard-ass that serves as the advisor to the Team Leader (usually a Captain). He's also been depicted as the team's Operations Officer (or S3), which works well for him. His original file card says that he is actually a Flight Warrant Officer (a pilot like Wild Bill), but nothing else really supports that in the comics. Since he's an SF School grad, I figure he's better suited as an SF Warrant.

As for the beret - I HATE the damn things (since I have to wear one every day), but if Flint were to wear one "in real life", it'd be green, since he's an SF guy. But they never got the berets right anyway - Stalker, a Ranger, started out wearing green when it should have been black (now Rangers wear tan), etc etc. About the only one they got right was Falcon's, but that's the one exception.

Sorry to derail the thread, Tsunami - but you know how I get when the subject of Warrant Officers comes up

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I think I grasp the concept , thanx I always liked Flint for some reason I never cared for Duke maybe because he seemed to boyscout like , I always imagined Duke and Flint having a Cyclops / Wolverine type relationship just with out the chic

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So in britain they're old guys with job security and in united states they're know-it-alls and can include civilians?

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Know-it-alls, but not civilians - the civilian thing was from about 90 years ago - now we're all military officers. But yeah, with the exception of pilots, Warrants across the services in the US are technical experts and go-to brainiac types. The aviators are run a little differently - but you can become an Apache Pilot at 18yrs old, so they need a seperate management system for selection, promotions, etc.

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Dang, Chief, between you and raptor, you bring too much realism to a toy line.

But since we have you on the line, I have a serious military question.

Who the frack decided to eff up the berets? It cracked me up when the army switched to all black berets(well not all black, but most everyone having one), but what genius came up with the girlie "floomp" of the current beret?

Its just hard to take the army seriously with all this weird hats, then again, all the guns and tanks help,

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That would be the new head of the Veteran's Administration, GEN Eric Shinseki who came up with the beret idea. He figured that the Army needed a morale boost and the beret would instill a sense of pride in young soldiers. He was incorrect. Which sucks, too - because he was a pretty good Chief of Staff and had some great plans that were blown off by the brass (won't get into the details because it would lead to a political discussion), but he'll always be remembered as the "beret guy" by soldiers .

As for the berets looking all "girlie", that's because nobody knows how to wear them. There's a great deal of prep that goes into making the beret look good - you have to shave it (the wool is really "fuzzy"), shape it, and do other modifications. Most kids just get it off the rack and try to put it on - which ends up looking like a Chef Boy-ar-dee hat. I was down at Ft Bragg wearing an Airborne beret when the policy changed, so I already knew how to prep mine, but most people in the military didn't, and that's why they look like crap.

Oh - and because they're really, really gay.

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