in my opinion those figures sucked anyway
want space figures ? go Starwars , gundam or Robotech or something
I think of tanks , planes , machine guns , and EARTH warfare when I think of GI JOE

and this thread just made collecting action figures feel so uncool
Never thought I'd see so much litigation on a GI JOE forum
Snake Eyes weeps for you

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That's just it, Mike. It's ALWAYS about who has the info first to get the page hits to pay the bills and to one-up the competition.

Never mind that something of far superior quality comes along, it's "been seen" and so people have moved on to the next newest thing. People want the pictures, the initial excitement and discussion and then they move on to something else.

It's a shame, and this is why people work so hard to keep exclusives quite and make sure they're ready for public viewing before they jump the gun. In my opinion, the 1995 stuff are objects worthy of intense academic study and archival as these will, most likely, never see the light of day as actual production level toys.

For most if not all of these items, tool was never even produced, as the line moved to Sgt. Savage and then Extreme (after Hasbro moved boys-toys division to Ohio/Kenner until 1999).

So to me, and some others out there, these are extremely special items that should be fully documented and vetted before they're presented to the public. Just think about how many people have the names wrong on 95 Flint, Footloose, etc.

But YES, these images WILL see the light of day when the owners and authors have all of their T's crossed and I's dotted.

Quoted for Truth.

Like I said earlier, not enough intel is bad intel.

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Wow...um, I don't know about other people, but I just want to see pictures of things I haven't seen before. I don't care who posts it first, or who makes how much money off of it, or, I'm sorry, how it effects the super-cool mystique of someone's collection.

I thought we did this as a hobby for, you know, fun. It's kind of sad that instead of just being happy that images of unproduced figures are being released, we get all caught up in a childish battle of who-gets-credit and who-makes-money and if we lowly casual collectors even have the 'right' to see the images.

They're toys. Hell, they're not even toys, they're PICTURES of toys. Let's stop making such a big deal out of them.

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The Techno Walker photos are being added to an article that will be published on yojoe and joe intel with in the next couple of weeks. We are writing as fast as we can and we are still trying to track down the original designers of this line. We really wanted to get the real story behind the figures before we posted about them. I know every one wants to see the photos, but does anyone care about the story behind the characters? So, they are coming and we are not doing this to make money. We are doing it because we truely care about the GI Joe hobby.

Usually i wouldnt chime in regarding these because they arent all that impressive to me but for those that are truly interested the images are pretty easy to find.

Google.

absolutely, I do care! especially curious how the hell Firefly would have fit in with Star Brigade! that's far more random than Heavy Duty and Ozone IMO.



me too, that's why I'm so curious. I thought I was pretty well up on my obscure GIJoe A Real American Hero trivia but these Technowalkers are totally news to me, I never heard of them before yesterday!

Wow there's some rare stuff for sale herehttp://www.dll47.com/index.php?c=G.I.%20Joe

If the person had/has them for sale what's the big deal in posting the pics?

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HMMM I think I see the problem right there. The second it becomes about "hits" and not about "love of the game" it no longer has the appeal.

That link makes this whole thread moot. Hard to worry about the images being seen by "the public" when they're publicly posted on a for sale page on the internet of all places.

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yes , http://www.dll47.com/index.php?c=G.I.%20Joe was the side i have found the images , but that was for over 2 years , and i never have before found it Back , so these pics was no Big secret , but only lost in the web ,
but oddly enough http://www.yojoe.com have me , after years to be a member , ban forever ?!?
them not even contact me or tell why i was ban forever

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sorry double posting

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Zed nails the point I was trying make. On the

A lot of us here have been into joes for a while now. Besides the childhood of course, most of us have been "adult" collectors since the late 90s early thousands, that's along time to keep on in the same hobby, no matter what your level of hobbiest is. Those of us that have been here have seen sites come and go people come and go entire new waves of fans eventually be whittled down to ten percent that are still here and 90% that moved on to the next big thing.

The argument about who gets it out first seems to appeal to that 90% the guys that most likely will move on after the movie hits and the next big retro title becomes toy fairs fav. That site that we don't talk about gets all sorts of info out before anyone else, I'll gladly look at their pics and give them a hit, but at the same time I know a generals joes review or someone here on JC is going to take that initial pic and provide a lot of accurate information and possibly some entertainment that the first site did not provide. Now sure that one place gets all sorts of attention and it's coffers are over flowing with new people in the hobby, but how many of those people regularly hang out with each other? How many of them are going to be here a year from now? How many of them leave their chosen site?

To use LH's Fury Force sketches as an example, when CJack made it known that he had some pics he posted them here and in his photobucket whatever. From there at least 4 or 5 guys on this site saved them, since I got them from Ash or Carn, (sorry can't remember which) whoever it was made sure I knew CJack got them for us, and i will always remember him for that. Now someone has them, they bought them and are reproducing them for sale from what I gather, that's great too, if I could buy a nicely printed copy of LH's original sketches and have a cool coffee table book then that is great too. If it's Ron Conner then that's a plus since I know he puts out well researched stuff. However him owning the original, me buying a coffee table book and Joe fan X looking at some scans thrown up on a web page are three separate things. Three different levels of joe enthusiasm, either by choice or due to a lack of resources. When ever this subject is breached the differences in collecting styles becomes the focus of the arguments, people get their feelings hurt old friends/acquaintances are suddenly on bad terms with each other.

I know guys from all levels of the hobby, including a guy that refuses to even participate in any of this internet stuff because it's "beneath" him. I've never seen anyone make fun of a collector for spending a lot on a rare hard to find piece. Collector books still sell even though Yo Joe has most of the same info for free. Someone posting pics of an un-produced figure does not take away from a well researched well written article about that piece. It just adds to it. If I knew what Rons extra rare gray Flash was and had an article to write I'd not be upset that he posted pics of it years ago.

but what you guys need to understand; is that when there is some extra rare piece and a select few get to know about it and it appears as though that select few are making attempts to keep others from knowing about it then the masses are going to be pissed. When these pics were first posted it seems like there were a handful of you who knew what they were who ad purchased them when they were purchased etc. So when the phrase joeluminate gets tossed around there is certainly some evidence to back that line of thought. We all know guys that got into this game seriously early on have a distinct advantage over the new comers. There are some collectors out there with original card art, there are many collectors out there that will never even see it. Now if someone owning said card art posted a pic of it would it devalue it? I can get most card backs from the 80s uncut no problem, so printing off someones photo doesn't seem like that big of a deal, yet I haven't ever seen one posted online. Maybe I'm not friends with the right people. Maybe I am not looking in the right places. Or maybe that collector posted it and got a barrage of personal messages calling them names or asking where they bought it. (if it's the latter I say post the messages, show everybody what the dicks are doing) In any case though there are tons of guys on this site and others that would love to see original art maybe with a little antic dote on how you came across it.

oh and I do agree http://www.joeintel.com/ is a fantastic site. One that's been needed for a long time. I so desperately want some Joe shrinky dinks and that site is the only one I've ever seen them on. Anyone reading this thread cause their interested in pre prod or odds and ends they thought they'd never find should hit the site now.

with that my long winded rant is at an end. I don't piss on anyone's style of collecting, now and I won't later. I try to get as much out of this hobby as I can and I try to give back when I can too. It's all about fun even when it's "serious".

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That was not a public website for the sale of prototypes. The guy that set it up only gave it out to potential customers and he was supposed to remove it 2 years ago. Here are some of the reasons that the people who own that stuff do not share the pics.

1. I posted the pics of the few testshots I own on Joe Intel and I have gotten numerous emails from people wanting to buy my stuff and who did I buy them from. I did not place an ad under those pics and I spent a lot of time researching who worked for Hasbro and creating relationships with some of them. They do not want me to give out their information and almost all of them did not have anything for sale. Some of them I am lucky enough to call a friend and I am not going to do that to them. They typically do not care about GI Joe, it was just a job. Besides, almost everything I do own I got off of ebay. If you want it, buy it.

2. Some items out there cost $1000's of dollars. If you paid for it, then it is yours and you can do anything you want. You guys need to deal with it. There are millions of art pieces in private collections around the world that are lost in private collections. It is a fact of life. Those Techno walkers are the only thing unique from that website that is not already known on yojoe. The owners of the technowalkers have been trying to find out the story behind those characters before pics were posted and now they are writing an article that does not have all the anwsers to the questions they have.

3. After spending all that money, some people do not want to see their special item reproduced by others and sold in bulk. Some of you may not care about repros or if they cheapen the originals, but the guy who paid the big bucks does care. I am glad that Ron got the LH sketches and he decided to sell copies. That is his right, because he owns the originals. Some of you may rember the thread on yojoe last year about the guy who was making custom backercards with the art that belonged to other people. He was profiting from someone elses stuff with out their permission. Alot of people thought the owner of the art was in the wrong, because he posted a pic on the internet to show the world. The owner thought everyone had the right to see it. Just like you's are claiming to have the right to do. Yet the moment someone steals the image, he gets tons of posts about how he was stupid for posting it and it is his fault. The owner of the item has rights.

4. You all belittling people that own these items and calling them joeilluminati only make it worse. Why should they show you something after you have called them a name.

Heres a thought. Put your big girl panties on. Personally, if you showed me "rare item A" I wouldn't contact you to buy it. The most I would do is thank you for sharing. I'm sure that a majority of people you showed them to would not contact you, in fact. In every hobby there are fanatics, and that is just something you have to deal with.




Art pieces? These are toys. Little pieces of inconsequential plastic that in the end will be somethin your children or your children's children will throw away. I can certainly appreciate that the owners of the items are wanting to write an article but people have been telling us "regular fans" for years that an article/book is forthcoming.



Ok, so posting an image on the internet will somehow make these unproduced items come into existence? I get how that is a problem with artwork. That is the downside of the internet, though. You put it out there, and it may get used in a way you didn't intend. You can always watermark artwork, if that is your paticular gripe.



We "belittle" them, because they hold themselves away from other fans. They splinter their community by witholding information. They care more about having rare pieces and patting other 1337 collectors on the back, then they do trying to enrich the community as a whole.

All over stupid little nothing.

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