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 Post subject: Star Wars Comic Set Question
PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:47 pm 
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I've seen the new Star Wars Comic Set that features Grand Admiral Thrawn and Talon Kaarde. This is a set that I would like to get, but not if the figures are of the "short" variety. As I've commented before, a fair number of "humanoid" figures in the Star Wars line have come up on the -- petite side -- in recent times.

These two look pretty much all right, as best as I could make a visual comparison with them putting their package next to a "Legacy" Clone Trooper, but I'm not 100% certain.

Anyone have this set? Can anyone resolve this question? Thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:38 am 
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I think talon karrde is short, I thought I was imagining it, maybe he was always meant to be short, lol

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars Comic Set Question
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:34 am 
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I'm not sure that pic's a legit comparison since I think all the 25A figs are generally too tall. They'd be fine if the sculptors didn't extend the abdomen and forget to take the added knee piece into account when sculpting the leg proportions.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:18 am 
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To me at least it does seem that the newer SW figs are a tad smaller, i would love to have the Grand Admiral Thrawn/Talon Karrde comic pack, Thanks to Prozac, i will have a Karrde, but some of the other newer SW like Prince Xizor and Gen. Grievous are taller, mostly the female figures are really short, if ya gets a chance, get them Trekker, if you don't like them, sell or trade them to meeeeeeeeeee. :-P

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars Comic Set Question
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:50 am 
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Comparing them to a 25th BAT isn't really effective, I have to agree. How do they stand up next to a standard Clone Trooper, perhaps?

I tend to think that Thrawn should probably be okay heightwise assuming there's been an Imperial Officer that came before the "shrinkage" problem with that level of articulation since Hasbro could've just used his body molds. Kaarde is another matter.

I was looking forward to Xizor until I saw him and realized they'd pulled that stupid "diagonal cut" elbow joint on him. I hate that...


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Xizor has the VOTC style ball elbows, the cloth bits just make it hard to tell.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:27 pm 
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GITrekker wrote:
Comparing them to a 25th BAT isn't really effective, I have to agree. How do they stand up next to a standard Clone Trooper, perhaps?

I tend to think that Thrawn should probably be okay heightwise assuming there's been an Imperial Officer that came before the "shrinkage" problem with that level of articulation since Hasbro could've just used his body molds. Kaarde is another matter.

I was looking forward to Xizor until I saw him and realized they'd pulled that stupid "diagonal cut" elbow joint on him. I hate that...


Here's a good reference pic of Prince Xizor...


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GITrekker wrote:
Comparing them to a 25th BAT isn't really effective, I have to agree. How do they stand up next to a standard Clone Trooper, perhaps?




You guys are trouble, sorry for the low quality pics, but I'm downsizing and don't have my blue background, lol.

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Thrawn seems fine, as articulated as a death star trooper

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Karrde seems short with a big head, then again, he is well articulated, shoulders, elbo, wrist, waist, regular hips, knees and ankle.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars Comic Set Question
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Okayyyy, that's what I wanted to see! Thank you, Narceron! :-D Looks to me like Thrawn is of a good size, and Kaarde -- isn't as disagreeably short as some, certainly. That's pretty much in keeping with my limited observations of the toys in package. Think I'll have to get this set.

As for Xizor, height aside, is he supposed to be that danged skinny!?

Oh, one other question -- is that critter on Thrawn's shoulders removable?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:23 pm 
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GITrekker wrote:
Okayyyy, that's what I wanted to see! Thank you, Narceron! :-D Looks to me like Thrawn is of a good size, and Kaarde -- isn't as disagreeably short as some, certainly. That's pretty much in keeping with my limited observations of the toys in package. Think I'll have to get this set.

As for Xizor, height aside, is he supposed to be that danged skinny!?

Oh, one other question -- is that critter on Thrawn's shoulders removable?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:41 pm 
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AdrienVeidt wrote:
I'm not sure that pic's a legit comparison since I think all the 25A figs are generally too tall. They'd be fine if the sculptors didn't extend the abdomen and forget to take the added knee piece into account when sculpting the leg proportions.


I don't disagree with this at all, but it's still a relevant way of asking it for me, since my collection is based off of the 25A line more so than any others. While they are likely not perfect in a true scale sense, I'm kind of forced to determine whether the height of a figure works, relative to this.

If I remember your stance correctly, you typically like the various height options since it mirrors random real person height variations. I agree 100%. I have a very diverse range of heights for my figures, and will sometimes seek out the shorter (as compared to 25A) SW figs for this very purpose. Otherwise I do consider the height so that I know if the figure will be used in its entirety, or whether I will mod it's size more to my existing scale.

The part I would find very frustrating, which Trekker touched on, is if I were collecting based around the Star Wars figs more so than the Joes. The variations in styles, heights, and articulation within the same line even, would kill me. I just bought the Cade Skywalker pack and the (bad with names, sorry) red armored imperial knights pack. The knights are 25A Joe height, and I will use those bodies without mods. But Cade looks like a 12 year old next to them. I allow for the possibility of being shorter, but not that much, and not within the same line. So I'll have to modify that figure extensively to use him in my verse. The info everyone gave here helps me a ton. Thanks Narceron, Trekker for asking, etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars Comic Set Question
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:52 pm 
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drbindy wrote:
If I remember your stance correctly, you typically like the various height options since it mirrors random real person height variations. I agree 100%. I have a very diverse range of heights for my figures, and will sometimes seek out the shorter (as compared to 25A) SW figs for this very purpose.


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But Cade looks like a 12 year old next to them. I allow for the possibility of being shorter, but not that much, and not within the same line.


Why not? Some people are legitamately short, even heroes. I heightened my Cade fig as a side effect of bashing him onto one of my extra Kamen Rider figs to give him proper hips; but I woulda been fine with him at his original height.

I need a fig to look good as itself, first and foremost. Wild Bill/Ace's proportions are just crap all over the place, regardless of whether either of them characters are actually on the tall side.

After accepting a fig for its own merits, then I worry how it looks compared to others. I don't need a hypothetical Puck fig to be precisely 55% of Guardian's height; just so long as he's in an eyeball range between Guardian's nuts and nips; I'm okay.


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AdrienVeidt wrote:


/Jacking a thread? Who, me?


Lol - my fault not yours. I pointed it out because I found it to be a helpful for me at least in putting Trekker's original question in context. Like him, I found the pics to be very valuable. Not because I will or won't buy the figs based on height, but just because it helps me know what I'm buying, and how I'll use them, in advance.

You're right that it doesn't matter a ton. The literal height of the Cade figure, for example, isn't the issue nearly so much as how the legs are sculpted, and what level of articulation they have. Actually I think those factors affect his perceived height more so than anything else. As far as why I don't like him in contrast to the others - I admit it's personal preference.

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[quote="GITrekker"Oh, one other question -- is that critter on Thrawn's shoulders removable?[/quote]

Thats a Ysaamari or something like that. It negates the power of the force for Force users like Luke or whoever else.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars Comic Set Question
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it technically pushes back the force, lol.

Sorry, I just read that comic and man, I had a different view when reading the books, I thought it broke the connection jedi had with the force, oh well, still works, :)

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