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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:33 pm 
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Well if they stray A LOT from the original continuity for the new ongoing comic book, this reprinting will be a little awkward for the new fans


Not at all. "Classic" is a phrase that tells people "this is old, it may not be relevant, but it is *classic*.

The same way there's Classic Transformers trades, the Dreamwave reprints under the "Generation 1" title... the back of the book will clearly mark these are reprints of older stories, and not part of the new ongoing series.



It's still something that would contradict the current run, I've heard fans question "why a new continuity" like there's too much going on, what with a cartoon, new movie and new comic on the way these days. Spending money on classic runs, that are written by the same guy doing the new series, seems like it would be a little off the path for new fans

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:07 pm 
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I don't think so. The difference in art style just by itslef will them apart. A lot have happened in comic printing technology in these 20+ years. Plus, as mentioned, it's already happening in Transformers..even though to us fans TF continuity is not something as "solid" as Marvel's 155 + DD's 80something...


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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:26 pm 
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I don't think so. The difference in art style just by itslef will them apart. A lot have happened in comic printing technology in these 20+ years. Plus, as mentioned, it's already happening in Transformers..even though to us fans TF continuity is not something as "solid" as Marvel's 155 + DD's 80something...


I think, and this holds for all fandoms, that GIJoe fans tend to live in a collecting bubble, that is, trends that occur outside this particular brand tend to be lost on Joe fans. It's the same way on the transformer boards, where a fw days ago, someone posted about how "True Fan" syndrome wasn't just a TFs thing. On Masters of the Universe boards, they marvel at the idea of a Classic toyline, wondering if there's a market for it in today's toy industry (some, if not all, completely oblivious to Transformers, G.I.Joe, and TMNT all having very adult-nostalgia oriented lines going on right now).

Comics having more than 1 continuity is a fact of the comic industry these days. You don't have to explain it to the comic-buying public. They already "get it". Its the Joe Fans who have the hang-up about continuity confusion.

As for Transformers, the Marvel series may only be about half the Joe one, but was augmented by a sizeable run of UK comics that actually broadened the mythology and added to the ongoing story (unlike Action Force, which was largely unrelated to even the reprints of US stories *in the same issue*). Transformers fans, especially those who were around in the 80s, respect the Marvel/UK combined run as something special, the same way we regard Hama's run on Joe.

And Simon Furman, who penned 95% of the UK strips, and the last 20+ issues of the US Marvel run, has now done work for both Dreamwave and IDW, so the Joe-fan arguement that it'll confuse people kinda dies there. Yes, someone might get confused, but ten seconds on a website that clearly makes the distinction between the two or three major comic continuities, and that reader will be well-informed, and ready to buy.


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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:30 pm 
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Well I hope it does well, I want well written GI Joe comics coming out of every corner of IDW. I'm just left here think that the main series will probably not walk off the chosen path so to say. I'm guessing a lot of the things that drive our favorites and the events that happened to these characters will not be very different from what has happened before. That's really what has me curious.

That, and the constant clamoring from Joe fans (other sites believe it or not) complaining of the continuities that are becoming too much. We have already the Adventure Team, Sigma Six, DIC, Sunbow, Marvel, DD, Reloaded, Extreme, Resolute, Movie etc

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:23 am 
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That, and the constant clamoring from Joe fans (other sites believe it or not) complaining of the continuities that are becoming too much. We have already the Adventure Team, Sigma Six, DIC, Sunbow, Marvel, DD, Reloaded, Extreme, Resolute, Movie etc


I think part of the problem is people looking to list continuities as if there's a magic number to be reached, and then it becomes "too many".

Of the continuities listed above, all but three are defunct. I don't even know that the Adventure Team *had* a continuity. There's a big difference between mini-comics created to inspire a kid's imagination and play experience, and actual expansive fiction that requires actual "continuity" to understand.

At that, we've only had three, arguably, successful ones:
The Marvel/DDP Comic Universe, the Sunbow/DIC cartoon universe, and Sigma 6 (which sort of includes the DDP comic series). Reloaded and Extreme represent failed attempts to revamp the property.

So all we have now are IDW, Resolute, and the Movie.


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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:43 pm 
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Yeah, I've heard people complain about the sky being blue

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:33 am 
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Yeah, I've heard people complain about the sky being blue


This does nothing to further the topic of your argument except turn it personal. Please keep this discussion mature and civil.

If I'm taking your comment the wrong way, feel free to explain what you meant.

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:28 pm 
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I was talking about how many people (from other forums, ironically, if you didn't read my posts) love to complain about anything




And uh, pardon me Scramble,


What did you think I was saying?

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:28 pm 
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Renegade wrote:
I was talking about how many people (from other forums, ironically, if you didn't read my posts) love to complain about anything




And uh, pardon me Scramble,


What did you think I was saying?


MOD SPEAK: You do realize I am a moderator on this message board? What you said could have been sincere and that would have been fine. Or, this being the internet, it could have been sarcastic and therefore a juvenile response to someone whose opinion differs from yours. In that case, it would be a violation of the board's respect rule and therefore have no place here. But I even admitted I could be reading what you said wrong, giving you the opportunity to prove you are not sarcastic and juvenile.

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:46 pm 
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You do realize that people here are adults and can handle themselves, right? Any extra babying or kindergarden treatment of said joecustom members by the mods seems a little gratuitous and quite overstated


Two, my pm button works fine. So maybe you can try it if theyre's a problem with a statement you are taking the wrong way. Acting like the over protective parent doesn't seem like the most sound option. Maybe it's because I'm not a powerful "mod," but maybe not

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:08 pm 
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Renegade wrote:
You do realize that people here are adults and can handle themselves, right? Any extra babying or kindergarden treatment of said joecustom members by the mods seems a little gratuitous and quite overstated


Two, my pm button works fine. So maybe you can try it if theyre's a problem with a statement you are taking the wrong way. Acting like the over protective parent doesn't seem like the most sound option. Maybe it's because I'm not a powerful "mod," but maybe not

MOD SPEAK: Renegade, you have been issued a site warning. For further explaination of how warnings work on this message board, please see: http://wiki.joecustoms.com/wiki/Forum_R ... .2FBanning

I would also like to mention that many members on this message board are not adults. JoeCustoms has always had open doors to all Joe fans regardless of age. So the 50 year old can be posting in the same thread as a 12 year old...and still both enjoy a conversation about their love of G.I.Joe.

Historically, JoeCustoms has tried not to do "back door" moderation through PMs. Members here know the rules and 99.9% agree with them. Because of this, Moderators are very rarely needed, unlike other message boards I have personally visited in the past.

Now, back to the conversation about IDW's Trade Paperback initiative.

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:22 pm 
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i know that i've gone on and on about the quality of IDWs TPBs, but just yesterday i received my copy of Device, and i just gotta say -- these guys publish some beautiful books. i am still overly excited about this prospect.

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:56 pm 
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I'm hoping you're right, JoeMichaels70.

(Sorry to digress, guys. They haven't even bothered to handle this through PMs)
Oh, get over yourselves. I don't think mods are above scrutiny, and if you think "and some people complain that the sky is blue" is worthy of a warning, realize anyone's reaction should be weighed against the original action :roll: . Even a mod's.

No one frequents the site as much as they used to, and maybe some of you guys only have yourselves to blame.

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:03 pm 
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Renegade wrote:
No one frequents the site as much as they used to, and maybe some of you guys only have yourselves to blame.


Ridiculous statement. :-/

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 Post subject: Re: News - Details about IDW's TPBs of Marvel's GI Joe comics
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:14 pm 
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Renegade wrote:
I'm hoping you're right, JoeMichaels70.

(Sorry to digress, guys. They haven't even bothered to handle this through PMs)
Oh, get over yourselves. I don't think mods are above scrutiny, and if you think "and some people complain that the sky is blue" is worthy of a warning, realize anyone's reaction should be weighed against the original action :roll: . Even a mod's.

No one frequents the site as much as they used to, and maybe some of you guys only have yourselves to blame.


From what I've seen, the mods have sent the proper PMs and then stopped responding once you sent some douchetastic PM back to them. For instance:

Renegade to Scramble in PM wrote:
and plz feel free to pm if you need clarification. just lose the red font - its somewhat irritatiing


Another Renegade PM to Scramble wrote:
Okay


suggestion

Three, get over yourself


The red obviously being a snarky response to our moderator talk tradition where we post mod stuff in red so it's always a way to tell when a mod is being a mod and not just joking around.



Sidewinder PM'd the same thing to you that he posted here.

They're showing restraint. You're obviously not.

Here's an example of some of the behind the scenes dicussion about you right now since you want all this public:

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I will never understand it. You tell someone "Hey, chill out. Don't provoke people when you don't have to. We're not that kind of board." Then they get all bent out of shape and go right to assuming you're on some power trip even though all your doing is trying to keep the peace.

I can tell you right now it won't get any better by responding. It is times like this I miss the temporary bans because people could chill out over a couple of days instead of refreshing the page waiting for a response.

He probably won't be a problem again but he sees Scramble as an enemy right now which is just stupid. I hate people who have to get the last word in no matter what.


Now, will you be stopping this? I know *I* am, at least in this thread. Take a break. Cool off and keep posting. Don't fire right back somewhere else.

Yes, I realize the irony of the last quoted line and locking the thread. My last word is giving people a chance to move on and not continue the same crap that needs to stop, not due to my raging ego. My raging ego gets its outlets elsewhere.

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