Instead of everyone complaining or argueing over whats right and not.....Why don't we just wait and see what happens as since NONE of use work for IDW.

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Sorry you kind of opened the door on that one

Over at Hisstank.com Chris Ryall explained the reason for going with a reboot.



Maybe I'm just weird but that sounds like some fairly good reasoning to me.

I can't wait for this!

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So... uhm, what's wrong with Option #2?

- JM

And I am in complete agreement with IDWs reasoning. Let's the fans choose which continuity they want as canon. Just as they have always done anyway.

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Option #2 is a really tempting one, but I could see where it could open up a far bigger can of worms than IDW would like to deal with as they are attempting to win over fans.

People didn't like Devils Due things like the cheap death of Lady Jaye, Hawk in a wheelchair, zombie ninja Snake Eyes, and a host of other mistakes, so we could just throw anything Devils Due related out the window right? Except Devils Due also managed to do some things really well so how would you make some stories vaild and others not to keep the good bits from Devils Due? Just seems more kosher to me to let another publishers work stand on it's own rather than pick over the body for good bits.

Even on the Marvel run do we just pick out the good bits and how do we come to any sort of agreement on the good bits. Sure it's easy to throw Ninja Force and the main line crossover with the Transformers, but other bits are sticker. I like Doc but if we bring him back under option #2 that means the story with his death is invalid now. That would be like rewriting parts of something like Lord of the Rings or Hamlet fit your taste. Better to let Hama's Marvel work stand on it's own rather than pick it apart for the good bits and casting off other bits as somehow not part of the over all work.

Plus maybe IDW is doing us a favor by getting us ready to deal with change. Set in the near future so you know the live action Joe movie isn't going to be our GI Joe. Instead of just being cast into the cold sea of change at least with Hama at the helm we've got a old friend to help us get ready for the fact that Joe can't stay the same forever.

Ok, one more thing, and this goes BOTH for the toylines (plural) and the media/canon. Are we getting 3 separate Joe stories? Think about it. There will be the movie continuity (for as long as it lasts and sequels -if any- are made), the IDW reboot...and Resolute? The new cartoon brings about A New Beginning as well (pun intended). Unless the comic and cartoon stories are paralleled or mirrored in some way (which I think is improbable NOT to suck), that means 2 different joeverses PLUS the movie. And you can't have one common joeverse between comic and cartoon unless you screen capture the frame cells and print them on paper or duplicate the comic pages graphically (remember Spiderman Adventures?)

The same goes for the toylines. There will inevitably be the "Movie Line", which will dominate releases for a few months or even a full year and sometime the "Legends"-type line (a la Star Wars) will emerge, either continuing the 25th Anniversary "remakes" or (unfortunately more possibly) bringing old established and new characters in a movie-esque look and feel. The "Legends"-type line, I expect to be the counterpart of the new comic. Providing all goes well and it is still out there after the movie hype quiets down and that line emerges. Oh, there will be the Movie adaptation comic (plus any sequels) of course, I'm not talking about that. And then, there will ALSO be the "GIoe Resolute" toyline as well!!! Figures taken directly from the cartoon series.

So, are the new comic and cartoon series meant to be in the same joeverse? Be related in the same sense as the Marvel run and Sunbow cartoon was (meaning the exact same characters with exact same costumes -so, the exact same figures- albeit in completely different universes)? That would make more sense, plus make it more possible to see characters that did not make it in the 25th line to appear in non-Movie mode toy form. In other words mirror the '80s AND have a blockbuster (complete with its own comic and spinoffs and figures). But isn't it self-cancelling to be fortunate enough to relaunch your entire property in all its media incarnations and then end up doing 2 reboots? Plus movie, of course?Larry Hama is hired by Hasbro approved IDW and then Warren Ellis is writing the cartoon? (Making ABSOLUTELY no judgement or comparison between the two comic writers, just commenting/speculating on Hasbro's intentions). On the other hand, Hama said that the early cast of the IDW reboot is exactly the same with that of the movie. So, it IS bound to the other separate universe. It makes sense for H to not want to confuse the public so they put the same team in every media, but one with Sigma 6 futuristic black and one with retro-updated-realistic look? And one from IDW for which we know nothing yet? Or is there maybe a bit more fusion than we've been used to? We know for a fact that the cartoon will be "a tad" futuristic, in the sense that the FLAGG has an updated look beyond any aircraft carrier of nowadays, plus F-23s and other up-to-date and even beyond stuff. The movie is set 10 years in the future...So, isn't it VERY possible that first untied from the 80's comic in the 3 3/4 Joe history will also be placed in the near future, to echo the other 2 incarnations in the other 2 media? Possibly a merging in a greater extend? They're using the exact same characters out of 200 (ok, realistically, out of the 15-20 core ones)!!!

Any thoughts?

club comics will be a different universe as well

IDW is a good company, they will put out a quality product I have no doubt and larry will write some dam good stories

...............but Im just not interested in a reboot, had they done a classic continuity book along with their new reboot I would most likely had supported all thier books but with NO 25 year continuity book happening Im out, Im done with GI JOE comics (which was the only book I read.) nothing personal and not saying there wasnt some things I hated about marvel ( transformers showing up ) and DDP ( one page intros and then deaths of characters,,,, or even worse one panel text deaths where you didnt even get to see it happen) .

Call me crazy but I actually LIKE history, its never perfect but the story you can tell with lots and lots of history( ie continuity) is far more interesting to me than a year one story.

Having a character like Bludd meeting the son of a man he killed YEARS later ( 20 years for us) at the coffin is great drama/potential that you cant create in a month or even 10 years with a new story.

Its the only comic I read and now Im out, again nothing agaist IDW , good company, Ryall is cool and they got the god of GI JOE comics , larry hama writting it.

If I was a larry Hama fan I would be reading Spooks but Im not , IM a fan of larry Hamas GI JOE original continuity. Having him write more stories in that continuity would be a dream for me

For me I think that is the most depressing thing about all of this , you god GREAT COMPANY , GREAT Artist, Great Writer------and then NEW CONTINIUTY ughhhh

if Im in the minority Im in the minority that is just how I feel, I wont keep on banging on this though, I wont be complaining every month,as Im not buying the comics and thus have no voice ( in my opinion ) to say anything since Im not a customer. Its just these comics arent being made for me anymore and I guess I finally get to break a 20 some year habbit that I havent been able to do.

well at least the GI JOE EXTREME series can happen now without it contradicting anything or happening at the same time of something else, if you want it to be the future of the old universe you can .


and I promise this is the last time on these boards that I will say anything else about this

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Why yes I do.

I've also been following Transformers so I think I've got some idea of just what they might be up to.

Somewhere, somehow Hasbro got the crazy idea of what if we don't put all eggs in the same basket since everyone doesn't like the same things. So IDW is given Transformers and while it was a relaunch it was very G1 heavy. The live action movie ended up something else (not good but that's just me). Animated opened up a new front. Feeling like they might lose a chance at part of the base they even brought back the Classics look to hit up the fans that don't like the look of live action or Animated. Even rumors about that if the Joe web series does well they will try it with Transformers as well.

So yes I can see where GI Joe might be branching out as well. IDW to sort of start fresh but set in the current time period and heavy toward us GI Geezers. The live action Joe set in the near future which will not be our Joe, but Joe for the general masses. The web series to go somewhere else. And really wouldn't be shocked if we didn't end up with another kid friendly series on somewhere like Cartoon Network the way the suits love to cash in on a movie.

I think the days of attempting to mesh it all into one universe are over and that's a good thing. Fans can pick and chose what they want instead of being stuck with just one thing. Also gives the various forms of GI Joe a chance to try new things because if one universe doesn't click well with people they have others to fall back on rather than having to put all of GI Joe on hold until they can come up with another idea.

have they said who the artist is yet???
Without good art it's gonna be a disappoinment

If IDW could somehow snag Rod Whigham to do pencils.....I'd be one happy dude.

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ATKINS is the artist, one of the best joe artist of all time

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Atkins the guy that did the cover to AE #34.Where else has he done any pencils?
Name sounds familar but I don't recall what.
Thanks and where is it posted he's the artist?
Tim

go to joereloaded.com forums and check out the atkins section

hes been posting lots of stuff from DDP there and also confirmed this , you can see all that he has done

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