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 Post subject: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:45 pm 
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As some of you know, I like to give my customs a wash to bring out the scupt details. Unfortunately, many times the wash I give has negative results -- either the painting detail is obscured, wasting hours of painstaking work, or the wash dries into such a pattern as to be distracting or downright fugly.

So, for this latest NJC (BPRD) I thought I'd try something that I'd only read about until now, and mainly only saw examples of on fine-scale military models: weathering with artist pastels. Here's how I did it...

I started off by buying some artist's charcoal at Michael's. I bought two different 4-packs, one had earth tones, the other was basic black, grey, white. I went with charcoal over pastels mainly due to price, but also because I only needed these colors -- I figured the end result would be the same, and luckily, I was right.

Before beginning, I debated putting a matte coat spray on the fig -- you'll learn why in a moment...

This is my set up:
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A. The figure
B. The brush: a soft, full brush (that i've never used) -- make sure it's dry!
C. Sandpaper: in my case, 150 grit
D. The charcoal stick

not shown: paper towel (damp) -- this stuff get on your hands... and everywhere else...

The first thing to do is sand a bunch of the stick into a little pile, as shown here:
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The next thing to do is to put some on your brush and then apply it to the figure. I found that it leaves more dust on the figure using 'up' strokes than down strokes, however, this method also releases more particles into the air -- make sure not to sneeze and blow your pile away (yes, this does happen...)

Unfortunately, I couldn't get a shot of me doing any of this step -- but a couple things to note: 1. be careful how much pressure you use on your brush -- too much pressure, especially over an area you're finished with, has a 'dusting' effect -- as in "dusts off" the weathering. 2. if you're unhappy with the results, it's possible to wash the charcoal off and start over -- especially if you sealed the work before starting. Luckily I was happy with the 1st try, because I did not seal the paint before weathering (on this fig -- the other is a different story for another time)

When I was happy with the level of weathering, I used this fixative (made specifically for artists) I don't know if I needed to go with something this special or not -- it doesn't look a whole lot different from any spray-matte finish, except that it doesn't leave an 'orange-peel' finish, and it stinks like the bejeebus. Definitely use outside! But it dries waay fast!
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I will reply with a close up of the weathering -- Much more subtle than my attempts at wet-washing, and I will definitely try this again!

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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:02 pm 
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Inks and drybrushing can do a similiar job, and maybe easier. Something to experiment with if you get bored. Your stuff looks good.


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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:06 pm 
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that's a great job -- i really like how the inks don't dry with an ugly, irregular edge, like acrylic paint tends to --

my biggest problem with washes is controlling the 'runs' --

but with results like that, i'm at least down for trying!

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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:09 pm 
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joemichaels70 wrote:
that's a great job -- i really like how the inks don't dry with an ugly, irregular edge, like acrylic paint tends to --

my biggest problem with washes is controlling the 'runs' --

but with results like that, i'm at least down for trying!



Hey JM,
give me a call sometime and Ill be happy to go over the process with ya. 985-502-8936.

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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:33 pm 
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my biggest problem with washes is controlling the 'runs' --

but with results like that, i'm at least down for trying![/quote]
I have the same problem with inks how do you get them not to run all over the place ZG?


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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:36 pm 
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gijoey wrote:
my biggest problem with washes is controlling the 'runs' --

but with results like that, i'm at least down for trying!

I have the same problem with inks how do you get them not to run all over the place ZG?[/quote]


use pure inks, first and foremost. its a little bit thicker than water. then, i put it on a drop at a time, and let it run until it settles somewhere, the determine if you need more or if you can stop. finally, i let it dry under a hot light bulb.

to be honest with you, ive never had a problem with running inks in the near 20 years ive been doing this.

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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:05 am 
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ZombieGuide wrote:
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Hey JM,
give me a call sometime and Ill be happy to go over the process with ya. .



... let's see...
monday night, 10pm...

time for 'is your refrigerator running' ....
;-)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:07 am 
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joemichaels70 wrote:
ZombieGuide wrote:
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Hey JM,
give me a call sometime and Ill be happy to go over the process with ya. .



... let's see...
monday night, 10pm...

time for 'is your refrigerator running' ....
;-)



Sure. Its a really easy process. BTW, if you begin the conversation with 'Im in lingerie', Im hanging up and forward all yer calls to AO.

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 Post subject: Re: Weathering Technique -- Charcoal
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:27 pm 
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ZombieGuide wrote:
joemichaels70 wrote:
ZombieGuide wrote:
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Hey JM,
give me a call sometime and Ill be happy to go over the process with ya. .



... let's see...
monday night, 10pm...

time for 'is your refrigerator running' ....
;-)



Sure. Its a really easy process. BTW, if you begin the conversation with 'Im in lingerie', Im hanging up and forward all yer calls to AO.


I'd be more worried about the "What are you wearing/I'm not wearing anything" conversations starters... :brawlin:

I'd be interested in seeing how this charcoal thing works from a tutorial POV. I know I'm not at that stage myself to try it...

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