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GeneralsJoes Round 1 concept case results
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Author:  pluv [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:30 am ]
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General Hawk has posted the results from Round 1 of the concept case Vault survey. Go check them out.

http://generalsjoes.com/2012/07/24/conc ... from-here/
Author:  Jay [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:47 am ]
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Wow.

Two things greatly astonish me:
1) the Ninja Warrior Monk ranking so high. Using primarily 2007-era Storm Shadow parts, he's one of the weakest offerings in the Arashikage set.
2) that ninja figures nicely dominated the ninja/zombie pollings, yet interest in the Arashikage set itself seemed to rank so low.
Author:  Kilcarr [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:20 am ]
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I'm shocked that Zombie Storm Shadow seemed to be the least popular. I thought it was a cool idea, and a nice bridge of the two sets.
Author:  night force cynic [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:26 am ]
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I can't believe neither Laser Viper or Snow Serpent made the top 10 on the 30th list. Seriously. And conversely, I really can't believe that "Crimson" Shadow Guard DID make the list.
Author:  Jay [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:02 pm ]
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Kilcarr wrote:
I'm shocked that Zombie Storm Shadow seemed to be the least popular. I thought it was a cool idea, and a nice bridge of the two sets.

He was at the bottom of mine, to be honest.
Storm Shadow is one of my favorite characters so I don't want him turned into a zombie.

night force cynic wrote:
I can't believe neither Laser Viper or Snow Serpent made the top 10 on the 30th list. Seriously. And conversely, I really can't believe that "Crimson" Shadow Guard DID make the list.

Wow, I totally flaked on that.

Yeah, how does that happen. Laser-Viper was definitely amongst the top ten in my list, that revamp is awesome!
Author:  Kilcarr [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:12 pm ]
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Jay wrote:
Kilcarr wrote:
I'm shocked that Zombie Storm Shadow seemed to be the least popular. I thought it was a cool idea, and a nice bridge of the two sets.

He was at the bottom of mine, to be honest.
Storm Shadow is one of my favorite characters so I don't want him turned into a zombie.


Fair enough. I mean, I doubt it would be a permanent change, but I respect your devotion.
Author:  joemichaels70 [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:47 pm ]
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night force cynic wrote:
And conversely, I really can't believe that "Crimson" Shadow Guard DID make the list.


Yeahh.... who would vote for that ? ......... :tictoc:
Author:  turner [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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How do you sign up over there? It was going to let me post as guest, but.... I didn't see a register link.
Author:  pluv [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:17 pm ]
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turner wrote:
How do you sign up over there? It was going to let me post as guest, but.... I didn't see a register link.
You don't have to register to comment. That is only if you also want to post it to one of your social media pages. Just type in the Comments field and then the "Post As". It will then ask for your email and your name/screen name. You can check a box if you want to be notified of other comments. But that is it.
Author:  ThomasArmada23 [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:52 pm ]
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I'm surprised that the Pursuit of Cobra HISS Tank driver did so poorly, barely making the top 10. I'd say the 30th voting went about as I expected, though I too would have thought the Laser-Viper would rank in the top 10. I also thought the Tele-Viper would do better, since so far we haven't really gotten a decent "standard" version with the Flight Pod version being too thin and not particularly accurate, the Extreme Conditions one being very nice but environment-specific, and the ROC version being a MARS Trooper headswap.
Author:  Pyre [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:32 am ]
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night force cynic wrote:
I can't believe neither Laser Viper or Snow Serpent made the top 10 on the 30th list. Seriously. And conversely, I really can't believe that "Crimson" Shadow Guard DID make the list.

Yeah, I'm disappointed in that too. I'd rather have a Laser Viper than yet another Beachhead and while I don't think we need another Snow Serpent, it would at least get that tooling out in retail. I will always choose something new anyday over something we've already gotten already in some form.
Author:  Tex [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:35 am ]
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This is was basically the opposite, or mostly the opposite, of my decisions. Everyone else's opinions are wrong.

Gold Ninja is best, and Data-Viper coming in at 1 is awful.
Author:  PaidLoad [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:38 pm ]
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The only thing I wish it had was thumbnail images to remember which ninjas were which, well some of the other figures too. Hit & Run I'd definitely get, especially if it came with the extra chute like the Target version did.
Author:  GITrekker [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:22 pm ]
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I'm pleased, if not surprised, that Kwinn and the Data-Viper did so well. I'm also pleased that the zombie's fared so poorly, although I wish a couple of those nionjas had ranked higher. I'll take ninjas over zombies any day.
Author:  dasaffe [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:54 pm ]
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Here are my take-aways:

The tiers: Voting seemed to fall into some basic tiers. This isn't entirely uncommon for the kind of ranking scheme, but it is interesting that there are essentially Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 picks in each category. For example, in the 30th, Flint and Kwinn are Tier 1 choices, Lady Jaye and Hit and Run are Tier 2 choices, and CG Immortal is just slightly ahead a broad Tier 3, which includes Heat Viper, Beachhead, etc.

This seems to suggest a sort of consensus at the top. The same is true in the POC rankings. Data Viper and Clutch form Tier 1, Grunt and the KAOS crew form Tier 2, and Cobra Infantry, Zartan and Heavy Alley Viper form Tier 3. Also interestingly, all the Tier 1-3 figures from the 30th and POC categories add up to 16 figures. SO, if Hasbro saw this as these as the consensus must-haves from these categories, it wouldn't take much culling to put together a pair of seven packs.

For example:
Pack 1: Kwinn, Flint, Lady Jaye, Hit n Run, Clutch, Beachhead, Grunt
Pack 2: CG Immortal, Heat Viper, Cobra Eel, Cobra Officer, Data Viper, KAOS Crew, Zartan, Cobra Infantry, Heavy Alley Viper. You'd only have to cut two figures from this pack to bring it down to seven.

A strong preference for classic characters: It seems the fandom is split pretty evenly on the message boards between people who profess they want something new from GI Joe, and those that say they'd rather have classic updates/ultimate versions of core characters. The polling indicates there's a lot of demand for core character updates, if done in the "ultimate" style (Flint, BeachHead), and not much support for updates done marginally better than before (BBQ), or that reinvent the character (Shipwreck).

I think this is why Zombie Cobra Commander and Toxo-Zombie did well in the Ninja/Zombie face-off. Not because people are clamoring for a Zombie CC, but because the rest of the figure looks like an ultimate CC that could be topped off with a classic helmet. Toxo-Zombie, similarly, is a classic character, though I wasn't struck by this figure in the case.

Ninjas beat Zombies, but both fall flat: I thought the Zombie pack brought more new stuff to the table than the ninja pack, but hardly anyone agrees with me. I guess the results reinforces that GI Joe is as much about butt-kicking ninjas as it is about sci-fi military action. I was shocked that Hollywood didn't get that the first time around with ROC, but it looks like they're trying to get it right with Retaliation and it seems like the fans want more sword-wielding, hooded dudes.

At the same time, the overall preference expressed by fans would be for Hasbro to put out more 30th/PoC figures. Zombies and Ninjas ranked below Renegades. But they didn't just rank low. Renegades, Zombies and Ninjas COMBINED are slightly more popular than POC and slightly less popular than 30th. That's a pretty clear message: most fans want more 30th/POC before anything else.

Steel Brigade? No thanks: All the Steel Brigade figures ranked at the bottom of their categories. I think this indicates that fans got enough of this concept with the 30th figure (and its variant).

We've got enough Dukes. Give us Flint!: Duke did poorly in every category he was in. In Renegades, he hit the bottom. In POC he hit the bottom (I actually like that training Duke figure... for parts). While Flint did well in every category (including the future prospects Renegades poll, where he and Lady Jaye formed a second tier with Destro behind Roadblock and Baroness as Tier 1 characters).

Ghost Ninja Henchman rules: This guy flat-out won the Zombie/Ninja poll. Hasbro knocked the concept out of the park and fans want this one, apparently.

In closing: Thanks to General Hawk for putting this together. It's a really cool thing. Hopefully some cool toys come of it. I'm pretty happy personally that my top 10: Flint, Lady Jaye, Zartan, Hit n Run, KAOS Crew, POC Clutch, Grunt, Eel, BeachHead and CG Immortal all made their respective top 10s.
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