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 Post subject: How RoC fits into my Joe-verse:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:24 pm 
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First off, I searched for this topic and couldn't find it. I thought we'd discussed it before, but it must've been elsewhere.
Anyway, I like the RoC figures quite a bit, and since my Joe-verse does not follow the movie, simply because of the mish-mash of characters in my universe, I've finally figured out how to incorporate them into my Joe-verse with some harmony.
I actually like that most of the troop builders have been more MARS-themed, because that's what I felt Destro was lacking, having only the IGs.
Anyway, here they are:
The MARS Troopers and Officers: These guys are Destro's blue-shirt/green-shirt equivalent (gray-shirts, I guess?) While the IGs are his CGs, these guys are the grunts doing the day-to-day operations. After all, no matter how great an employer Destro is, nor how handpicked his troops are, there's still going to be a bottom at which they have to start. They're not quite the cannon fodder that blue-shirts are, and actually spend more time doing the menial tasks about Destro's residences and factories.

Vipers/Neo-Vipers: These guys, again, are like the Vipers of Cobra. They're not Vipers, but I haven't come up with a name for them. I'm thinking that Destro uses the evolution of tech to name his ranks, with Iron Grenadiers invoking the iron-age, so maybe these guys should be the Bronze Somethings? Not Bronze Grenadiers, maybe Bronze Sappers, or something like that. They're gray-shirts in full combat gear.

Elite Vipers: Haven't really worked them out yet. They're definitely Destro's, but I don't know where to classify them. Similar to Alley Vipers, maybe. I'm thinking they're guys in transition from gray-shirthood to IG status.

RoC Eels: I love these guys, but they aren't Eels to me. They're Undertow (Undertows? is it like deer for the plural or not?). They're Destro's frogmen and navy.

Ice Vipers: Now these guys are Cobra agents. I never really cared for the original Ice Viper (I thought his helmet was silly the way it fit on him), so these are a nice update. I'd thought about them being Destro's Snow Serpent equivalent, but they just don't fit his ostentatious-yet-functional uniform style. As modern Ice Vipers, they're great.

Now for the named baddies:

Destro: It's just another change of clothes for him. the man is a fashion horse, as evidenced by his various uniforms throughout the years. What're a few more?

Baroness and Storm Shadow: Same as Destro.

Zartan: Since we haven't really had a Zartan figure, there's no issue here. The figure we got just happens to be a figure of him in transition toward taking on the appearance of a Pit guard. Sort of like the Con Zartan as Hawk set, only skipping the first phase.

Cobra Commander: I always assumed CC's face was puke-tastic (mainly because of the cartoon ep where he was eating and Destro walked in, averted his eyes and said something like, "Commander, please... your face..." This is just his head gear he wears while tooling around Cobra Island and not trying to inspire the men. The helmet and mask have to get a funk to them after a while and require cleaning. This is a special piece of gear Professor Rex made for him to help treat the damage to his face and slowly reconstruct it. How does Rex do this? ...

Rex: Not CC. I never liked Mindbender being the generic mad scientist, so Rex fits in great (as will Dr. Venom when he finally comes out. Thanks, MC!). Mindbender is the psych specialist for Cobra and that's it. Rex (Professor Rex, just because I don't want a bazillion Dr.s running around Cobra, plus, it has a ring to it, for some reason ;) ) is a geneticist specializing in genetic manipulation and gene therapy. His reason for working for Cobra is purely selfish; they promised him the funding he couldn't get elsewhere. His main reason for such diligent research is to find a way to arrest the rare disease he has, causing him severe respiratory issues and disfigurement, thus the head gear.


The Joes:

I won't do a line by line for these guys, but basically Snake Eyes is always SE, no matter how you slice it. He just has changes of uniform. Most of the others fit in fine either as the character they bare the name of (such as Heavy Duty), or as new characters (Breaker, Sgt Stone, Ripcord and Armor Duke), or as greenshirts (Desert Duke).

The RA suits are simply Sigma Suits, as Sigma 6 is alive and well in my Joe-verse. However, instead of it being the sum-total of Joe, it is a rotating group of Joes and allies, selected for the specialties required by each mission. When a situation is so hot that even GI Joe isn't secretive/discreet enough, that's when S6 is activated. It has full deniability since it is not comprised of strictly US military, as the main Joe unit is. While foreign troops may assist GI Joe, they do so under their own country's colors, as the Joes do. When S6 is activated, there are no origin countries acknowledged, and no colors worn.



So, how does RoC fit in your verse?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:41 pm 
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Destro, Baroness, Snake Eyes, Scarlet, Heavy Duty, Hawk, and Storm Shadow are just the same.

Breaker is the Action Force Breaker.

Ripcord is a Joe who is both a great soldier and aviator, though he is more of a soldier, no name yet.

Crimson Vipers will be turned into Cobra La troopers.

Most other stuff will be turned into customs.

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 Post subject: Re: How RoC fits into my Joe-verse:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:21 am 
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First off: I love the Movie continuity! It's a fresh, fun take on GI Joe.

However I don't believe in segregating my figures. My RAH hang out with my news culpt which are with my 25th figures. So just having a separate group of "movieverse" figures is no good for me. So all my Movie figures are in with my non-movie guys.

Cobra Commander is Action Man villain No-Face. If Hasbro can repurpose No-Face as CC I can do the reverse.

Dr. Rex Lewis is a Cobra scientist who invented the nanomites. He's Dr. Mindbender's protege. Basically exactly like the movie version, except he's not Cobra Commander and he doesn't know Duke or Baroness.

Destro is Destro, Baroness is Baroness, Storm Shadow is well you get the idea. Zartan is going to be Zartan once his second figure comes out. As of now he's a PIT Commando.

Now for the army-builders: All of the ROC army builders are Neo-Viper 2.0s. Just like the original Neo-Vipers were genetically enhanced super soldiers, these guys are all enhanced with the nanomites created by Dr. Lewis. They're stronger, faster, and feel no pain or fear. The nanomites can repair most injuries in seconds. In addition they all wear a new MARS designed organic armor derived from Cobra-La technology that makes them nigh invincible.

The one exception to the above are the MARS Troopers/Officers. The IGs are supposed to be elite, but you can't be elite unless there's non-elite guys to be better than. These are the guys who guard MARS offices and do all the expendable grunt work.

Duke is just a new look for Duke. Same for Scarlett and Snake-Eyes.

Ripcord is a new character. Basically the same as he was in the movie, Duke's old buddy. Not sure what I'm going to call him.

Heavy Duty is a new character. Action Force guy on loan to the Joes. I had a codename picked for him, but now I can't remember it.

Breaker is now the second Joe to wear the name. Abel Shaz is the American born son of Moroccan parents and a communications genius. At first some of the older Joes objected to his codename, but after he saved their bacon a few times they figure he's earned the right to follow in Alvin's footsteps.

Covergirl is Hawk's secretary. She's not Courtney Kreiger. Codename: TBD.

Flash is a new experimental weapons guy who needs a codename.

Anyone I forgot is in there somewhere :shifty:

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 Post subject: Re: How RoC fits into my Joe-verse:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:22 am 
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Scarlett, baroness, Destro, Ripcord, Heavy Duty..they are all who they are...Duke is custom parts...The Duke I use is the Resolute Duke...when the "Resolute" Snake Eyes comes out..he will be the only one

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:33 am 
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It replaced the old Joe-verse.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:36 am 
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Well, my verse has three different known timelines/parallel Earths, so it's just one of them. Though that means now I have to buy more ROC figures.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:52 am 
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Ripcord is a new character. Basically the same as he was in the movie, Duke's old buddy. Not sure what I'm going to call him.


Tripcord?

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 Post subject: Re: How RoC fits into my Joe-verse:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:48 am 
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So far my Joeverse:

Gi Joe is a detachment of 1SFODD and ISA under JSOC, attached to the 20SFG (ARNG) so that they can conduct missions in CONUS and OCONUS. The "Reactive Armor" is a new, very expensive, light, mostly full body armor system. The "Accelerator Suits" are working prototypes of Armored Exoskeletons that DARPA has been developing.

There are multiple teams.
Bravo- Consists of two operators in "Reactive Armor" and two in "Accel. Suits" that in most incedents act as the assault team. "Shipwreck" in "Reactive Armor" is also part of Bravo, but attached for missions that allow for waterborne or SCUBA insertion.

Alpha- Consists of five to six operators (Sniper is optionally attached) equipped with more conventional equipment, mostly suppressed weapons except the SAW position. On missions they perform multiple roles: Support by fire, reinforcement, second assault team, or can operate individually on appropriate missions.

Ground Vehicle- A four wheel drive gun truck with a Driver, TC and gunner with a small truck bed used to transport Bravo when available for missions.

Rotary Wing Vehicle- Medium transport helicopter capable of transporting 8 operators max.



Command and Control- Right now consists of Detachment Commander and one technician.


Still working on fleshing everything else out.


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I decided to seperate my Joe verses. 25th/Moderen era will remain ARAH based, but ROC will be my own verse, which is more sci-fi/post-apocolyptic based. ROC is just what I need as I was having to hack up Star Wars Clone/Stormtroopers for their armor and now the Reactive Armor & Accelerator suits saves me the trouble. Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Destro, Zartan, Baroness, and Ripcord will stay as they were in ROC. I'm just not sure if I want to make Duke, Hawk, Covergirl, Scarlett as new characters or keep them as their ROC identities as well. Also not sure about how I'll use Rex/Cobra Commaner, but he will be in my verse some way. ROC Neo-Vipers, Eel's and what not will be just more variations to the Cobra Army.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:41 am 
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During my runs the past week I have been thinking of a new back story for COBRA M.A.R.S. in my Joe verse.

When I run I listen to a lot of different types of music, and I was listening to Cash Flow by Ace Hood and pictured COBRA as a Private Military Contractor ala Army of Two, that is wealthy enough to afford it's own small fleet of advanced fixed win aircraft and rotary wing aircraft as well as light armor and smaller vehicles.

I even imagined a beginning event to trigger their recognition as an enemy to the U.S. A small convoy of COBRA vehicles strike at multiple drop sites for U.S. currency in Iraq being transferred to the new Iraqi government at IP stations killing IP and IA and making off with the money.

M.A.R.S. is an advanced weapons manufacturer that has sided with COBRA in secret.

Eventually it is found out that COBRA intends to assist in the destabilization of the Mexican government to allow a puppet military dictator with the backing of corrupt Mexican Military leaders and Mexican politicians as well as some drug cartel groups which leads to a civil war between the legitimate government and government loyalist forces.

The United States intends to intervene after the human rights violations committed by the cartel soldiers on the side of COBRA, but their true objective is to protect oil imports from the legitimate Mexican Government. Though no fullscale invasion happens by request of the Mexican Government, instead SOF and SF personell are sent to conduct missions in Mexico with air assets provided by the USAF. "Gi Joe" is sent on missions in CONUS and OCONUS against COBRA.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:48 am 
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viperlord wrote:
First off: I love the Movie continuity! It's a fresh, fun take on GI Joe.

However I don't believe in segregating my figures. My RAH hang out with my news culpt which are with my 25th figures. So just having a separate group of "movieverse" figures is no good for me. So all my Movie figures are in with my non-movie guys.



Oh yeah, I love the movie continuity and was actually planning on using the RoC figures as strictly RoC-verse. But then the figures started saying, "Hey, Mark, you really need to mix us in with the other guys. They're cool, we cool, we all cool. We wanna hang." Well, that and the fact I just don't have room to set up enough different displays to properly represent RoC, RAH, etc., so they're getting blended.

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Cobra Commander is Action Man villain No-Face. If Hasbro can repurpose No-Face as CC I can do the reverse.




I hadn't thought that, but I may have to cabbage onto this idea, so I can use both figures at the same time (I really like the movie CC, but the Resolute CC is my absolute fave.)

Some good answers so far. Interesting to see how people meld the different iterations together.


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RoC CC is now called Doctor Death. He was a brilliant scientist that was exposed to some kind of chemicals which turned him into a deformed mad man. His suit is life supporting and he wants the whole world to suffer has much as him.

RoC Destro is still Destro...for now. He might become Baron or General something soon enough.

Paris SS is now called Shiro. An android created by Doctor Death. He turns in to Dark Kabuto (a Kamen Rider MRS). A violent shock awoke some doubt into Shiro's spirit and a little flame of good is shining inside him. Will he free himself from the claws of Doctor Death or will he stay his slave of destruction....

RoC Mars troopers are DD's minions. They'll be joined by some RoC vipers eventually.

Breaker gave his body and is now sporting a Dragon Ball's Gohan head.

Impact armor Duke and Scarlett are now members of the special team that fight Doctor Death's minions and mutants.

RoC SE is still SE. Target exclusive Rescue mission SE is now my definitive version. Maybe when I get City strike SE it my change, but the all black resolute body and Paris head are a winning combo.

The others kept their respective roles.

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I've had many of the same ideas as MarkM. I don't mix the various design styles, but I do mix 25th figures with the movie figures.

MARS troopers, MARS officers, Elite-Vipers, and mainline Eels are part of the Destro/Iron Grenadiers faction.

Neo-Vipers, Viper Commandos, and Crimson Neo-Vipers are part of Serpentor's faction (the Coil).

I only bought one Ice-Viper, and I consider it to be an individual character for Cobra.

Dr. Lewis is a Cobra scientist, but I haven't figured out yet if he'll side with Cobra Commander or with Serpentor.

Cobra Commander is probably going to be a scientist type as well, probably paired with Dr. Lewis (I definitely don't consider them to be the same character). I've also had thoughts about making him Overkill.

Destro is Destro, as long as I don't use another head.

The Baroness ... I don't know yet. With a different head I could user her as Munitia.


The Joes are Action Force representatives, since that's essentially what the RoC Joe team is anyway.

Duke is Action Man.
Heavy Duty is still Heavy Duty (since there is no 25th HD).
Breaker is Hi-Tech (though Hunter's bio seems like it could sorta work for him).
Cover Girl is Quarrel (with an extra CG head used on Reactive Armor Scarlett).
Sgt. Stone is unchanged.
Ripcord is Jammer.
Deep Six is Dolphin or Shark.
I haven't decided anything yet for Shipwreck.

Helix and Flash are part of the main Joe team since I don't think they fit in the RoC aesthetic.


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New vipers and MARs soldiers are just that, new.

All named characters are different looks for the named characters even Cobra Commander. The exceptions being:

Rex, when I get him he will be just another Cobra scientist.

Ripcord, He's not Ripcord. I like the character in the movie but he needs another name. Right now he's just Wayans.

Duke, He's not Duke. He's a former delta force greenshirt. Again right now he is just Tatem.

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Ripcord is a new character. ...Not sure what I'm going to call him...


Cripcord?

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