Snake Eyes origin.....

and his response to a lot of the flack he's getting from fanboys.

http://www.411mania.com/movies/columns/ ... y-Hama.htm

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Do we have a slow clap icon?

EDIT: Seriously, thank you for saying that, Larry.

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i think really the characters were pretty close to as they always were.
Just had to get past Tatum's horrible acting and Wayans racial jokes like usual.

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lol - Larry taking a page from the Shatner book of fandom:

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Hehe, goes right up there with Leonard Nimoy calling Trek fans dickheads if they didn't like the new Star Trek movie, hehe.

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just in reading some comments off, ahem, other boards...it seems the reason that some people didn't like the joe films was basically b/c they're d-bags to begin with. glad to know we have a fair share of those in the community.

but also something else came to mind. the reason people hate it is b/c we had all that other stuff in the 80's, for better or worse. so they think its how it should be. so what i was wondering was, if they hadn't seen or read all that other stuff and it started from the movie, would they still be dickheads and hate it for not matching up with "their universe"?

i mean could you imagine how mad star wars fans would handle it if they updated the original three for a re-reboot of that stale franchise? "That's not the way chewbacca's pelt should flow!" "Why is lando white and han black?"

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Very true. I hated everything about this movie until I just accepted that it was different. By the time it was released and I saw it, I loved it.

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Oh yeah, I can understand people that really didn't like it. Not those that are just not allowing themselves to like it, or it's "cool" to say they don't. There are people that just did not like it and have given good reasons here on JoeCustoms. But also to add, they were not wishing ill will on Larry Hama, the director, any of the actors, or anything of that. Heck even me disliking the Ripcord character, I don't want to see anything happen to Marlon Wayons, just the character in a scene from the movie, hehe.

But yeah it's like Star Trek. If Star Trek was just a reboot without all of the added stuff they did to actually make it part of the existing universe but also be a reboot, I'd have hated it. I'm one that likes continuity though. Once there's something established, there's a reason for the popularity and not just the name of the property. Plus it's rude I think to redo established characters and throw out the works of people that came before the screen writer. But Larry I guess is fine with it, and this is a "movie version" so in the theme of how G.I.Joe has been, a new continuity I guess is the way to go. The comic and cartoon were different and split the fans. Then there's Sigma 6 and other stuff, so now we have a new split.

But let's say this movie does great, then a sequel just adds to that. Would the current group involved be ok if they just threw it all out and redid it like the Batman movies? That's the continuity I think we all want. It was hoped for with the movie but not really expected. But now that they've established this, this will be what sets the bar from here on with movie continuity.

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I haven't seen the film yet, but I plan to at some time, so while I can't comment on that, I can say something about continuity:

I don't mind if it's changed, if it's for a good reason. And therein lies my problem with Hollywood in general. They have an affinity for changing things without any good reason.

If a comic character's outfit would look goofy on screen, by all means, redesign the outfit. If a two thousand page novel won't fit comfortably in a 90 minute film, feel free to rewrite, omit, and edit so that it does fit. But when Hollywood changes the end of a story because they deem it too sad for "popcorn" audiences, or violate the core of an established character (such as having a talking Snake Eyes just so he can tell a joke) then I'm going to take issue with it because the changes are made for stupid reasons.

My belief is that if the source material was strong enough to find its way to a multi-million dollar film, then why change what's already established? Seems the justification always has something to do with a "reboot" or "re-imagining for the next generation" as if the original story, like a gallon of milk, had a use by date.

That's not to say that all reboots are bad. I liked the new Batman films. Resolute kicked ass. I just hope its the same for ROC.

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Well said.

Seemed to me Duke and Ripcord were both new characters that they just slapped existing names on. Most franchises wouldn't use quite that much license, I don't suspect, or would at least treat the new characters like new characters. I agree Destro, Storm Shadow, Scarlett, and to a lesser extent Snake Eyes captured the essence of the character, changes or no. But how elite of a unit is it when 2 grunts come in and become the 2 best all-purpose agents in the unit, mere days after signing up (or, actually forcibly volunteering?)

That aside, it came down to horrid dialogue and horrid acting for me. Dennis Quaid sucking in his gut and saying every line like he was playing John Wayne killed it for me almost as much as Wayans and Tatum. Though none of them had a line worth speaking with anything other than cheese. And don't tell me about how the old cartoon was just as bad, and why should this be anything different. If that's the level of story-telling they were shooting for, they'd have been better off just making Resolute the new centerpiece for the line.

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While Ripcord was pretty much a brand new character, I thought they got Duke pretty dead on. Tatum Channing may be a prettyboy poseur douchebag but so is Duke.

And that's what I liked about the movie: The characters "felt" right. Scarlett, Snake-Eyes, Duke, Hawk, Destro, Cobra Commander, Storm Shadow, Baroness, Zartan. All were the same characters I remember. Sure they looked a little different and in some cases had their back stories tinkered with a bit, but these were the same characters I grew up with.

Yeah a lot was changed, no it wasn't perfect, but they worked really hard to keep the core off the characters intact and it shows. And for that I applaud them.

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What are you basing that on?

The Sunbow Cartoon, Sigma 6 Cartoon, Anything Devil's Due ever published.

I love Duke as written by Larry Hama. Unfortunately every other media has decided to portray him as a complete d-bag. So much so that when　Ｉ　ｌｏｏｋ　ａｔ　Ｄｕｋｅ　Ｉ　ｄｏｎ’ｔ　ｓｅｅ　Ｌａｒｒｙ’ｓ　ｔｏｕｇｈ　ａｓ　ｎａｉｌｓ　ｆｉｒｓｔ　Ｓｇｔ．　ａｎｙｍｏｒｅ．　　Ａｌｌ　Ｉ　ｓｅｅ　ｉｓ　ｔｈｅ　ｇｒｉｎｎｉｎｇ　ｊａｃｋａｓｓ　ｆｒｏｍ　ｔｈｅ　ｃａｒｔｏｏｎ．

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It's ironic that you say that, seeing as how Hama's intent was to have fans hate Duke because he's a first sergeant.