Can't get retailers to buy in most likely. And if Hasbro can't convince retailers that it's a good idea, then it's not a good idea for them.

And you guys are being waaaay too optimistic on the vehicle drivers. They'll have ball jointed necks, swivel shoulders and t-crotch hips, looks like the motorcycle pack ins have hinge knees too, just like all of the other movie lines Hasbro has done lately. I'm still surprised that the reduced amount of parts brings the cost down so much that making new molds is still cheaper than using existing tooling, but that's apparently how it is. I'm more disappointed that the main line figures have inconsistent articulation. Cobra Commander definitely has no ankle joints, and he, Roadblock, and probably Duke and the Cobra Trooper only have single jointed knees. And I am bummed that we won't be getting a fully articulated version of the Swamp Viper. Pretty decent offering overall though. I just want it to be successful enough that the momentum allows the team to move back into something like PoC. Also looks like they won't be doing nearly as much product this time around, which is probably a good idea.

Hoping a movie accurate Jinx and Lady Jaye are coming, and I'll try and get the SDCC Jinxes. I've had good luck so far with those. Trick is to get one on ebay during the con. Got Zarana for $30 . . . and don't forget that the Joe con is about a week away from SDCC, so they may up production and sell some there as well.

Yeah you're probably right. At least the heads look like nice sculpts. And I too am surprised that new sculpts with 5 POA are cheaper than old ones with 14 POA are cheaper.

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I can only guess that the assembly costs, actual man hours, are what does it. I suppose it probably also works to keep kids wanting/buying both individual figures as well as vehicles. Why pack a fully articulated Captain America with his jeep, then the kids wont want to get a single carded one with more articulation too? Which makes sense from a business standpoint.

They've always had "regular" and "variant" single card exclusives at SDCC. Gold and silver PDD, blue and black sport coat CC, pink and black Zaranna. So the red and white Jinxs fits the profile.

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....wow.. as someone who goes to SDCC every year. *I'm* even pissed about Jinx being an SDCC exclusive.

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The motorcycle drivers look the most poseable, IMO. Heck, I'm fairly certain the Snake-Eyes bike driver reuses the legs of Resolute Snake-Eyes.

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Okay, I'm a WHOLE lot more impressed by these than I was by a lot of the stuff from the first movie. Personal favorites out of the gate would have to be the G.I. Joe Trooper and Cobra Commander. Roadblock looks different enough from The Rock that I don't think I'm going to be hearing "If you smell what Road-Block, is cookin!" in my head. Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow are quite impressive, although I personally don't care for Stormy's "skirt", as is the Red Ninja. Duke and the Cobra Trooper are sort of "meh", but at least the Cobra Trooper is a step up from those weirdo-helmeted Neo-Vipers. I agree with Morgardee that there was too much heavy black in the last movie line, but the Cobra Trooper would be better off with a somewhat darker color scheme. Only one in the lot that doesn't terribly impress me is Zartan. My only real concern with any of these figures is all the bent, crouched legs. I realize these are "action poses" for publicity purposes, but I do have a few modern G.I. Joe figures that can't quite stand up straight, and it's rather annoying. I hope that's not going to be a serious problem here.

Couple of other figures that impress are the Ninja Commando versions of Snake-Eyes and Roadblock.

As for the vehicles, I am very impressed with most of these. I like what I see with the Ghost Hawk II, the G.I. Joe Tread Ripper, the blue HISS (since I can't seem to find a black one anymore), the Ninja Combat Cruiser, and Cobra FangBoat, and even the Ninja Commando 4x4.

The SDCC exclusives are a kick, if one can get them. I like the look of Jinx, and the Shockwave HISS.

I share the concern some have regarding articulation of the vehicle drivers. Let's sincerely hope what we're seeing are prototypes.

If Rider Flint happens to be less articulated, get a Duke, they look like they wear about the same generic uniform with chest plate.

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I might get that blue HISS tank, partly because I either ignored or never saw the previous versions of the new tank. I also wonder if the HISS driver is another version of Cobra Commander, given the helmet.

At the very least, the Swamp Viper looks to use the resolute CC head with some chin guard thing.

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I'll wait for Toy Fair and hope. These look like mostly mock up items. Maybe even well done computer mock ups. If they actually have several of these lacking in articulation and cheap out too much, that'll be bad. Finally a good looking movie that may sell some toys, but then the toys aren't up to par of the previous stuff.

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Flint also uses the Resolute Snake Eyes legs, from what I can tell.

It's too bad these pics are so small, as Hasbro could have solved the articulation mystery with bigger ones. So far, it looks like bad news...

Question on the Ninja Commando figures, like Roadblock. that's not actually a 1:18 figure where they are making the character a ninja, right? I thought maybe it was a different scaled figure, with that scale being called Ninja Commando - whether or not the character itself was a ninja? Does this make sense? How far in left field am I?

As for the vehicle drivers - I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll just target the vehicles I want, and chop up the figs for fodder. so long as the main figs are good, I'm ok. If there are other artic. changes there too, I will be cautious. But there were some single knee jointed figures in the 25th line that weren't horrible, so I'll wait and see.

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I know. I was responding to where Pluv said it was assumed the Red was coming in the movie line.

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I assume you're right on target.

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