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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:30 pm 
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today my wife made me a pastrami and swiss sammich. unfortunately, we only had white bread in the house -- but in an odd twist, she toasted it first. of course i kept it in the fridge at work until noon, and when i ate it, it had a really strange 'chewiness' to the bread -- but you know what? i kinda enjoyed it.

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:04 am 
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joemichaels70 wrote:
today my wife made me a pastrami and swiss sammich. unfortunately, we only had white bread in the house -- but in an odd twist, she toasted it first. of course i kept it in the fridge at work until noon, and when i ate it, it had a really strange 'chewiness' to the bread -- but you know what? i kinda enjoyed it.


I invented toasting bread. Also, pastrami, swiss cheese, bread itself, refrigerators, the word 'noon,' the concept of noon, and enjoying things.

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:19 am 
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Good God...could it be that there are about two billion dio stories out there that all kind of bleed together? You wrote a little mini-comic with action figures. So sorry that I couldn't keep it separate from everyone else's little action figure mini-comics.


THat is why all the info was contained in the post.

I mean I really doubt you read anything I wrote, I mean you can't take the time out to read an internet post before going off half cocked with no information.

Maybe if everything you needed hadn't already been contained within.

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And maybe people got the idea that you were wanting money because you mentioned several times that you were having money problems and you couldn't afford a website and that your kids were basically extras in a Sally Strother's commercial while DD was making money off of 'your ideas.'

It would be one thing to be frustrated that you're coming up with the same ideas that other people are getting paid to come up with,


Which is what I said. :roll: Seriously you can't have it both ways which is what you just said there.

Your assumption about my greed was YOURS, I never said I wanted money, maybe I mentioned my "Sally strothers estra" kids to express the level my frustration was at.

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but this little "You don't understand! They stole from me! No one understands!" temper tantrum is getting more than a bit ridiculous. You're not a tortured artist. You, like the rest of us, are a grown man playing with action figures.
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:shifty: When did I say that, I said I am frustrated someone won't take the time to read an internet post before going off half cocked cause they are enamored by a comic book company.

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I invented toasting bread. Also, pastrami, swiss cheese, bread itself, refrigerators, the word 'noon,' the concept of noon, and enjoying things.


:roll: Why is it people resort to this sort of thing.


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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:16 am 
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Enamored with a comic book company? Hi, my name is Darko. One of the main writers for DD once told me that I must have been molested as a child because I didn't like his writing. I'm about as 'enamored' with DD as I am with slamming my hand in a car door. And as for "ALL THE INFORMATION IS IN MY POST YOU DIDN'T READ IT!" Hmm...could it be that you have a habit of leaving out key words and, perhaps while frustrated, mashing the keyboard with your palm, resulting in text blobs that no longer resemble English? And you didn't say you were upset because you were coming up with the same ideas that others were getting paid to come up with, you said you were upset because people STOLE your ideas and they were getting paid to do so while you were not. There's quite the difference. One exists in the realm of sanity, the other will get you elected mayor of Crazy Lake.

And as I type this, I realize that just about none of it will even begin to get through. Fine, you win. DD stole your ideas. All of them. They should be ashamed.

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:46 am 
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I enjoy the new direction DD has taken with WW3, its art is more serious, fresh, and the story has consequences. I think that its a shame that NOW they get it right, but oh well





Also, as far as the dio thing, its possible that they look and get ideas from writers, but overall the realm of right/properties belong to Hasbro, so we can't really do much. Fighting it won't help, but if you are serious about this you can either stop the dios and create your own universe, characters etc, and write a book/screenplay, or look for IDW to hire you. I like my hobby of making a dio, and yeah, if it happens that things get really similar to the comic, I'd be a little miffed too at first, but also flattered and continue to create/write. It means that your ideas are liked and may strike a chord with readers. Just my input, no disrespect

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:11 am 
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And you didn't say you were upset because you were coming up with the same ideas that others were getting paid to come up with, you said you were upset because people STOLE your ideas and they were getting paid to do so while you were not. There's quite the difference. One exists in the realm of sanity, the other will get you elected mayor of Crazy Lake.


Again what was written by me:

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If you can't tell after five years of this I am kind of ticked off.


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someone else made money of my ideas, or should I say, at least seemingly so.


The very last statement of the post that started this. Seems very clear, to the point the not *AHEM*

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could it be that you have a habit of leaving out key words and, perhaps while frustrated, mashing the keyboard with your palm, resulting in text blobs that no longer resemble English?


Still if that is the way you want it fine. but I am not staying quiet, I am pointing out the oddities the so called "coincidences" that have caused a serious amount of frustration to me. If you want to take the other road and think there is nothing odd, fine. But in every post you have pointed out how you never even bothered to read what I said. In every post I pointed out how and where you did that (as above), and yet somehow it is my fault. OK sure.

But with the venom you are spewing it sounds like you just want an arguement. I am still not sure where the "comic writer/child molestor" comment could fit in unless you are trying to bait some kind of statement from me, not happening.

The point is I am not going to keep sitting here being frustrated and saying nothing anymore. Say and twist things how you want, but what is fact is I am upset over what looks odd. I have presented things that look strange, nothing more. Expressed frustration for what was happening in the real world at the time, nothing more. Twist it how you want, but don't expect me to keep quiet.


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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:15 am 
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Ok, I do believe that's enough guys.

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:17 am 
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Wow, look dudes, I'm no mod, but this is getting out of hand. I came to this thread expecting discussion on a comic book. Fully 1/3 of the page is this stuff. Take it to PM or something please, this is getting crazy off topic.

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:22 am 
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Sputnik will LOVE this.

Sounds like this was actually pretty well done, as opposed to 90% of Devils Due stuff. Interesting direction too.



Woo-woo! :twisted:


that is all I have to add really. :D

EDIT: Oh yea, I almost forgot: Die, Billy, DIE!

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
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Nevermind, wrong thread (really gotta check which tab I have open...sigh...)

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:24 pm 
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I just read #33...

I'm confused.

Can somebody tell me how Wild Bill and Spirit and the Plague went from a foreign country (and with the Joes pinned down at that) to the middle of New York City??


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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:32 am 
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The only way it makes any sense is if you accept the very subtle "We're going to die" from last issue to mean the Joes were knowingly faking their deaths at the hands of the Plague to get them off their backs. It's not really well expressed, or well executed, and surviving a building collapse is not the kind of thing you can prepare for. You just have to get real lucky!

But if you accept that they knew how to survive the Plague, you just need to realize that time is moving sporadically but briskkly. Between the end of #32, and the NYC fight in #33, weeks seem to have passed. Time was already a little wonky when moost of the Joes were still running from the Plaguue, while Duke and Delta had already managed to get all the way back to NYC, but have stayed there for weeks while the rest of the Joes caught up.

And even tho the battle with the Plague couldn't have lasted more than a day or two, WWIII has been going on for months (starting with the bombing of Boston). Spirit, Bill, and GH are just victims of a very loose and often anachronistic movement of events.


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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:41 am 
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The only way it makes any sense is if you accept the very subtle "We're going to die" from last issue to mean the Joes were knowingly faking their deaths at the hands of the Plague to get them off their backs. It's not really well expressed, or well executed, and surviving a building collapse is not the kind of thing you can prepare for. You just have to get real lucky!

But if you accept that they knew how to survive the Plague, you just need to realize that time is moving sporadically but briskkly. Between the end of #32, and the NYC fight in #33, weeks seem to have passed. Time was already a little wonky when moost of the Joes were still running from the Plaguue, while Duke and Delta had already managed to get all the way back to NYC, but have stayed there for weeks while the rest of the Joes caught up.

And even tho the battle with the Plague couldn't have lasted more than a day or two, WWIII has been going on for months (starting with the bombing of Boston). Spirit, Bill, and GH are just victims of a very loose and often anachronistic movement of events.


IIRC, last issue ended with Duke and Delta's ship coming up to a blockade in NYC harbor. In #33, we skip the 'how did they escape' sequence and go straight to the aftermath: Cobra troops finding a discarded wetsuit. It's funny, when I wrote out a bit of my last dio, I originally skipped Tripwire's Mission Impossible sequence, instead jumping to the 'payoff' of "all clear." I had my wife read that chapter, and she noted that skipping to the payoff is the mark of a hack writer -- so I had to figure out how Trip got into the garage and defused the bomb.

Anyhow, that's just another example of the fluid time that DD's experiencing, trying to cram the story in the 12 issues. As for the three 'dead' Joes, it's the same skip (not showing -how- the Joes escaped the building), but at least Guillotine throws in the comment of being recalled to NYC before verifying the bodies.

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 Post subject: Re: New America's Elite #33
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:29 pm 
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Midgarn wrote:
IIRC, last issue ended with Duke and Delta's ship coming up to a blockade in NYC harbor. In #33, we skip the 'how did they escape' sequence and go straight to the aftermath: Cobra troops finding a discarded wetsuit.


See, that'd be fine, but the ship was actually discovered by Cobra at the end of #31, and the wetsuit/masks were recovered at the beginning of #32. So another entire issue's worth of events occur, including the "deaths" of Spirit, Gh, and Wild Bill, between their arrival in Ny, and the throwdown with the Plague. So basically Duke and Rourke are just sitting on each other's thumbs for what represents days if not weeks of time. It'd flow much better if all their scenes from #31-33 were compiled into the timeframe after the Joe trio fake their deaths.

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Anyhow, that's just another example of the fluid time that DD's experiencing, trying to cram the story in the 12 issues. As for the three 'dead' Joes, it's the same skip (not showing -how- the Joes escaped the building), but at least Guillotine throws in the comment of being recalled to NYC before verifying the bodies.


There's one thing to use "fluid time" to explain how events written 20 years ago were only actually five years in the character's past. It's a completely 'nother thing to use it as an excuse for characters appearing thousands of miles away from where they were, while other characters seem to stand still waiting for those others to show up.

It's not ruining the story for me, but it's definitely the kind of thing that will tear apart repeat readings. If WWIII were not as pressing a concern as it is, I can see Duke and Rourke waiting around shooting the shizz... but all they talk about is "getting home" and "stopping this"... but weeks are flying off the calendar in every other subplot, while they seemingly slow-boat it back to "the most important story ever told! (TM)"

It's not hack writing, but it is sloppy.


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