If you say so. What you choose to buy is your business. I just said that's how I look at it and maybe if other people did, they may enjoy it more. Considering the work you've accomplished along these lines, I would think that you would at least understand that way of thinking. Of course if you're too busy twisting what I say around and putting words in my mouth, I guess not.


Then don't. If your finding yourself buying nothing but product you're not happy with, then stop buying. I'm just putting forth other viewpoints.

I didn't say otherwise. That's a large part of why I didn't bother with the FSS or join to get Iceberg. There just wasn't enough there that I was interested in and I figured I could do better on my own.


No and I think that's your problem. You're taking anything from Hasbro as being PR when it's not. The information about HTS comes from people that have nothing to do with PR. Maybe if you paid attention more, you might know that but I guess that wouldn't suit your grand viewpoint of Hasb|o, the devil owned idiot company.

Gee, really? I wasn't aware that was in doubt. I know I certainly didn't say they didn't but then I also don't put words in people's mouths either...

Which are things that Hasbro can't change because that's the way retailers want it. Why is all that so hard for people to grasp?

If the store were able to operate in a capacity outside of the way Hasbro has to produce things, that might work and I'm sure they have done that before within their system, however, just like at any other store, they end up with product that doesn't move that they're stuck with. I imagine that's why they started just selling whole cases of GIJoes instead of individual figures. Of course if everyone would actually think about these things, maybe they would understand it. Of course it's much easier to wave it off as "PR" nonsense than to put thought into anything your told, right?

Yes because sharing information is such a horrible thing.

Well, let's see. There's cost of materials, cost of labor, cost of printing, cost of fuel for the trucks, boats and whatnot that ship the products to where they need to go... All of that continues to rise and that's passed along to the consumer. This is true of any product, not just toys. Once upon a time you could get a Hershey's bar for a nickel. Not anymore.

No one has actually said that. Now who's putting words in people's mouths?

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If it's not up to the standard that is generally produced, then by definition it would be substandard. 5POA drivers aren't standard hence, they are substandard. Need any more vocabulary lessons?


No one HAS to do anything when it comes to toys. If you're buying something you don't want, that makes you the dummy, not Hasbro. I'm just putting forth alternative viewpoints as to what you might do with a 5POA figure instead of not buying a vehicle you want because the driver was substandard. If you don't want the vehicle either way, then don't buy it. Last I checked, no one was holding a gun to your head but whatever.

The guy with the MBA and Doctorate in Economics, apparently...

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I don't even remotely think their entire staff is a bunch of drooling morons, (who is putting words in peoples mouths again?) that is an over reaching assumption you are making to justify your dismissal of other peoples arguments, some of which are also over reaching.

I have met a handful of great Hasbro employees, who knew the product, and loved the line. I have also met plenty of clueless employees who were just happy to have a job. These employees both good and "bad" are base line working stiffs. I am sure some of them were recently laid off due to hasbros laying people off, which I am sure is a measure they needed to take due to being managed awesomely by competent types that have lead Hasbro to great successes, and achievements no one thought was possible in this current toy market. Oh wait...

Anyway for all the competent employees in the world, if management is out of touch then there will always be a problem. The smartest guy in the room can still be out of touch with his/her customer base and thus miss out on sales opportunities that they would have had.

To "waving it all off as PR" yes I wave all the Q and A stuff off as PR, since it was PR people answering those questions(or not answering them in many cases). I wave all fan speculation off as well since that is all it is. Or did I miss a memo where hasbro brand managers, and execs are posting on toy boards corporate information?

As far as hasbros capabilities of production, and distribution etc. Hasbro is a multinational corporation who could easily shape the way for a change in how toys are produced, distributed etc. They could be innovators, but they aren't. If third party transformer creators can get their product to fanboys easier than hasbro, then there is a problem. Now I know a lot of people blame it all on walmart, walmart wants the wave system walmart wants named characters whatever, that is fine. However I have never heard anyone say Hasbro is only allowed to sell their goods through a big box chain. As far as selling whole wave on HTS, that was a great idea, too bad you hardly see it. If ordering cases through them were more customer friendly, and the website in general more customer friendly, I could see fan angst over distribution fade away. Which is the point many complaining fans try to make when voicing their very vocal opinions online.

However, instead of accepting any possibility other than what you currently believe, you would rather wow us all with your internet arguing ability. Good job. you deserve some sort of metal, with clusters and the valor symbol.

Finally as to not buying what I don't want, I don't. out of the new Joe toys I have snagged the three packs some red ninjas and a couple joe troops as trade fodder. I used to be a two of each and troop build collector, but now I am not. Hasbro has lost a couple grand a year off of me. Which isn't a big deal to them. but you add up angry fans, or have paramount botch your movie, and suddenly you realize every case sold is important. When you have a built in fanbase that wants to give you their money, then as a business I think it would be a good idea to figure out the best way to take it. You assume they already do that, many people disagree. Both sides have, at best, anecdotal proof. When most of us argue on the internet, we do it just to voice opinions and best guess situations, and sometimes offer ideas that we think would improve things. You don't seem to get that, and that is ok.

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If he has either of those, he needs to find a good attorney and sue the heck out of the school that gave it to him.

Let's get back on topic, please.



I agree with this. Some creative part swapping and accessories could have me picking up those Dollar General figures for many years.

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ok the using a lighter was was an example as how cheap the plastic is and as when we where kids we used to blow them up or set them on fire to get a real feel or at least some of us did lol to get an idea of what i mean. yes we have always had Franken joes and some i don't mind but the joe fig is awful use of parts and looks nothing like any of his movie appearances . my whole thing is that hasbro has cut way to much on some figs and other things ie file cards , plastic and stands to make more money. the HTS store is ran by hasbro so they should have plenty of stock and at a cheaper price then other online stores and they would make more profit. as when they made the store it was for the DTC line while they tried S6 .

the lack of articulation is not only on the drivers they just got the worse of it. the CC, duke,FF and Flint have little articulation. now if i want a vehicle ill get it but it would be nice to have a cool driver wit it like we did in the 25th, poc and 30th oh and back in the day . well if you know why it happens good for you im happy for you and yes this is a customizing board but i for one am sick of fixing alot of there figs as it gets old and if i break my fig cuse i have to crack it apart to switch the arms sucks when all they have to do is put a back screw back in it agin. a small one its not that hard. as when the 25th came out they said it would be the most CUSTOMIZABLE toys where u can do almost any thing with them. they did day only after u break them apart and hope to god you dont glue the arms in place. if it had a back screw i prob would do more 30 anny figs as my base as i love some of the looks of them but i re do my figs to much to have to break them aprt and glue them agin over and over agin.

i am a customizer i have done a ton of customs . you can look up some of my work here http://s285.beta.photobucket.com/user/X ... s/profile/ im not a noob to this world i just like Orings as my base fig as to me they are easier to work with. all i wish is hasbro would get back to the basics where there product was made to last and was well built and nothing was giving up to save a buck esp since they are 10 bucks a fig.



i have got a few of them and i like them lot better then some of the movie line and they come with blank stands they could of done that with the movie line to save some cash.

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See I like the stands, the file cards started a nice decline in the 90's. I don't need them like the 25th with names and their team insignia on the stand as long as it has a foot peg and comes with the figure for dynamic posing.

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I would love to see the file cards make a return. We don't have to go with persona for a specific character, but it would tie in nicely with what has come before.

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Regarding the 5 POA vehicle driver situation, I honestly don't care, but I would rather they just not include a driver if keeping the vehicle price down is the goal. I mean I either just give them to my 2 year old to throw around or pop the head off for potential fodder and throw the rest away. And as a mainly vehicle customizing guy who likes to buy 2 and cut one up for parts, I like lower cost vehicles.

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i agree with you on that if they cant give us a good fig then dont include one at all. in stead of giving us what they gave us . like those motorcycles they could of just skipped those as i wont buy them lol.

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None of the drivers are really that appealing as it is, so yeah, I'd rather have more put into the vehicle if it meant they driver was going to be left out (exception is the motorcycles, they would just be weird if they came with out a driver), however the CC that came with the HISS is really cool looking. I have about eight of them to use as just a static standing guard in the background. Also, A huge favor to the fans could be done if that Clutch was redesigned into a fully articulated figure. He is a great looking figure as it is, thankfully his head is usable elsewhere.

As for the figure stands and file cards...the file cards were one of the things that separated the Joe line from any other, and have been copied by other lines as well. I love their inclusion with the figures, but really, I'm not missing them with the Retaliation figures. Mouse is the only new character, so we won't really know his background, but I'm sure some of that will be filled in when the movie comes out. The figure stands were a great thing to add to the 25th figures, but again, I'm not missing them. A) I have a butt load of extras and B) there are plenty of other sources to get stands.

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