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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:22 pm 
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I thought it was ok. Not great, but better then a lot of stuff out there currently.

also looking at the credits, the voice acting chores seemed to be shared by 4 people. So as labored and clunky as some of the dialog is, I'm gonna let it slide. Though Steve Blum is everywhere these days with the standard "Spike" Voice, it's nice to see him put in time on Roadblock and a few others with different voices.


but yeah my gripes are the same I have with most comic books and modernizations of childhood favorites.
"gritty realism"
anyone happen to know the casualty rate for Delta operatives? There are 56 casualties from all special forces listed at the Bragg Memorial since 1983. That's Rangers, Delta, Green Berets, I know some Air force TACP and Combat Controllers and of course a dozen or so Navy Seals have been lost too. however all in all since 1983 the special ops world has claimed loosing under 100 men. So I've never been down with "death = realism"

what I liked, similar plot points from the old sunbow series. It's funny to me that they dress it in dads pants by adding "death" but we've seen Stormy take what 5 to the chest and pop back up, 10 issues later? and Zartan? No way he's dead. though someones post about him being irradiated would be [LASER BLAST]. Really dug his accent btw.
Also how do we know that's actually the good major? Could be a body double, maybe a CIA plant... many outs for that.

but common the back to back Scarlett/Duke shoot off with no cover... yeah this was gritty and real.

meh, all this modern stuff is really just fan service, it isn't written to get new fans just to give middle aged men something to gripe/praise on the internet. The show was alright, might win a Spike award, but then what doesn't.

also where was Hawk? R@R with hot ladies?

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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:17 pm 
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Okay... let me see...

A more mature GIJoe. I was actually pretty interested. It had a strong start...But it seemed to just fizzle out after episode 5.

With five-minute shorts... the Snake-Eyes vs Storm Shadow rivalry could have been either left out, or weaved into the main plot a bit better.

Gritty deaths... I never agreed with them. This is fiction, death should serve a purpose, not be gratuitous. And if it does happen... it should at least happen to those standing right in the middle of a crossfire with no cover. You know what I'm referring to. And yes, I know Duke got hit, but he got hit off-screen after he and Scarlett got themselves out of the crossfire.
Danielb, thanks for posting that about the special forces. This is definitely a good thing to know, which might detract people always clamoring for more Joes dying.

Characters got de-evolved. Storm Shadow becomes some jealous child, Zartan just becomes a kill-happy creep (only to die himself)... Cobra Commander seemed to be on his way to be threatening and evil, but in the end he went out like a complete boob.

The end was ridiculously deus ex machina'd. The beam cannon is aimed at Washington, Duke can't crack the codes, but after shooting out a control panel (how convenient that Cobra Commander only had a door panel on the OUTSIDE of his bunker!), he magically manages to crack all the codes and re-target to Springfield within a few seconds in spite of not knowing Cobra codes or having handled such a machine in the past. It seems like the writers just got lazy by the end and stopped bothering.

Overall, it still felt too much like the old cartoon. GIJoe is over-ressourced, Cobras are useless, etc.

But I can't just stay focused on the negatives here, can I?

Good stuff:
Voice acting. If the staff was as small as some say it was, then I am impressed at these guys' range.

Animation. Nicely detailed, fluid. In spite of the darkness, the Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow fight managed to be awesomely choregraphed and easy to follow.

Character redesigns: I loved those. They make for some nice-looking toys (shame none of them are available in my area).

Bullets: Even though they don't hit many people, it's still nice to have them instead of lasers.

Destro's accent: Connery! *swoons* (yes. It gets a whole point to itself)

The premise: Yeah, the premise was good. Cobra using new technology to hold the world ransom... it's just a shame the execution fizzled out so quickly.


Overall: Entertaining, but hardly anything that can match Larry Hama's comic stories.

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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:29 pm 
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Against my better judgment, I gave this series a chance even after they killed off Bludd in the first eppy (what the happy fudge was up with that?!?), and I have to say that, overall, I'm let down.

I won't go into the character death thing, because that's been done to death. Let's just say I'm not opposed to it when it's done for something other than shock value (so I don't mind Stormy's demise at all).

There was a lot to like about this series, but the story itself was kind of weak and the ending was about as anti-climactic as a nuclear explosion can be without happening in the depths of space.

I'd watch a series if they made one, but I'd be pissed if they made it without Bludd.


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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:52 pm 
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danielb wrote:
meh, all this modern stuff is really just fan service, it isn't written to get new fans just to give middle aged men something to gripe/praise on the internet.



So? :D You say that as a bad thing. The movie is for new fans, Resolute was a nod to old school fans.

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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:55 pm 
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I watchd it for the the first time on Adult Swim (which is weird beyond belief) last night. I liked it. Sure it was an update, but I felt the basics were there. The animation was top notch. It's nice to see smooth cell animation instead of computer animation. (yeah, I know the vehicles were computer generated).

All in all, I liked it and look forward to watching it again with my wife.

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Oh wait, there's another positive I want to point out.

The new HISS tanks.

Seriously, if Hasbro does not bring out toys of that bad mamajama... I will be disappointed.

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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:17 am 
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danielb wrote:



but yeah my gripes are the same I have with most comic books and modernizations of childhood favorites.
"gritty realism"
anyone happen to know the casualty rate for Delta operatives? There are 56 casualties from all special forces listed at the Bragg Memorial since 1983. That's Rangers, Delta, Green Berets, I know some Air force TACP and Combat Controllers and of course a dozen or so Navy Seals have been lost too. however all in all since 1983 the special ops world has claimed loosing under 100 men. So I've never been down with "death = realism"



I did not know that and now I'm glad that I do. Makes me feel better about none of my Joes ever getting killed.

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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:32 am 
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danielb wrote:
but yeah my gripes are the same I have with most comic books and modernizations of childhood favorites.
"gritty realism"
anyone happen to know the casualty rate for Delta operatives? There are 56 casualties from all special forces listed at the Bragg Memorial since 1983. That's Rangers, Delta, Green Berets, I know some Air force TACP and Combat Controllers and of course a dozen or so Navy Seals have been lost too. however all in all since 1983 the special ops world has claimed loosing under 100 men. So I've never been down with "death = realism"


Not to nitpick, but the significant word there is claimed. All those names are operators who died during "green" ops, like Desert Storm, Panama, Iraqi Freedom. Any KIA or MIA during ops with operational deniability don't show up in stone gardens.


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what I liked, similar plot points from the old sunbow series. It's funny to me that they dress it in dads pants by adding "death" but we've seen Stormy take what 5 to the chest and pop back up, 10 issues later? and Zartan? No way he's dead. though someones post about him being irradiated would be [LASER BLAST]. Really dug his accent btw.
Also how do we know that's actually the good major? Could be a body double, maybe a CIA plant... many outs for that.

but common the back to back Scarlett/Duke shoot off with no cover... yeah this was gritty and real.

meh, all this modern stuff is really just fan service, it isn't written to get new fans just to give middle aged men something to gripe/praise on the internet. The show was alright, might win a Spike award, but then what doesn't.

also where was Hawk? R@R with hot ladies?


As for Death=Realism, I don't know about that, but I do know hitting your target when they are five feet from you, completely devoid of cover or concealment, and stationary, and you are firing repeatedly at them with a submachinegun=realism. You point six or eight automatic weapons at the same four cubic feet of space, all firing at once, and SOMEthing in that four cubic feet of space is going to get hit. Dispersion will see to that, if nothing else. If you fire extended bursts into the back of a computer workstation with a SAW or M240, the bullets are going to go right though it. I don't care how strong your chi is, you cannot move your hand fast enough to hit anything hard enough to produce a visible shock wave, and I don't care how ninja you are, a human body can not produce enough force with one leg to kick another human being thirty feet into a stone staircase, thereby demolishing it. Even if you could, your hand or foot would smash like a granola bar, and a body hitting a stone staircase with enough force to smash it and leave a crater would pop like a soap bubble. I understand that this is a legend, not a documentary, but these people are supposed to be fighting a war, there has to be a sop to reality somewhere. If I know that these people can't be killed, can't be wounded, can't be beaten, why should I care about their struggle? Sure, the deaths could have, should have been handled better, that's always the complaint, but I think that's the fault of the format of the cartoon more than anything else.


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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
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I agree with the Death = Realism criticism. The way a lot of Brian Michael Bendis deaths go for example are probably signicantly less epic than real life deaths.


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 Post subject: Re: RESOLUTE episodes 1, 2, 3. With SPOILERS
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:28 am 
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man this was great and will be better then the movie imho as this was for us old school fans. oh and the guns shot red for joe and blue for cobra. i think the ending was to leave it open for them to make more. if it has a good enough feedback. oh this was from one of the guys who made the show.


Hey all,

I'm the sound re-recording mixer for the Resolute series and I'm so glad to hear all the things you like about this awesome new series. We worked really hard to bring this show to life and make it as viseral and sonically potent as possible. So, about the blood in the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow fight. If you saw the original animation you would have NO complaints!! When Storm Shadows arms are sliced, blood splatters everywhere and is dripping heavily from his arms. And when Snake Eyes gets stabbed through the hand, blood gushes from his hand and splatters on the ground. Unfortunately, Hasbro asked for this to be removed in order to be able to air it on television. We had added big blood splashes and dripping but ended up having to take it all out for network TV. Oh, also when Snake Eyes delivers the final "seventh" blow, blood oozes out of Storm Shadows eyes, nose and mouth (from under his mask). It was awesome! Hopefully when the DVD is released these will be added back in and you'll have your bloody ninja fight.

I hope you enjoy the finale tomorrow night. The show was moved to 9pm instead of midnight so get ready! And I hope you enjoy what the show sounds like. I did mix it in 5.1 surround sound and it sounds as good as any theatrical release out there. Again, unfortunately, you won't hear it in surround until the DVD is released, you'll hear the stereo mixdown on the TV broadcast.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:32 am 
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The end was ridiculously deus ex machina'd. The beam cannon is aimed at Washington, Duke can't crack the codes, but after shooting out a control panel (how convenient that Cobra Commander only had a door panel on the OUTSIDE of his bunker!), he magically manages to crack all the codes and re-target to Springfield within a few seconds in spite of not knowing Cobra codes or having handled such a machine in the past. It seems like the writers just got lazy by the end and stopped bothering.


Did seem like really lazy writing that the weapon can be controlled remotely while Cobra Commander's bunker has everything in the world in it but a control for the weapon, the weapon controls that are only feet away because somehow Cobra didn't have the money to run a few wires a few feet.

Sort of feel the series kind of killed itself from much a future because they feel into that old trap of making Snake Eyes too powerful. With horrible injures he can take out a ninja master with his bare hands, whole squads of Cobra troopers, HISS tanks and all around an unstoppable army of one. Sort of hard to come up with a plot where Cobra might win if there is nothing in the GI Joe Resolute Universe that can counter Snake Eyes. It's sort of Snake Eyes shows up now and the Joe automatically win which would take the tension out of story.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:50 am 
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man this was great and will be better then the movie imho as this was for us old school fans. oh and the guns shot red for joe and blue for cobra. i think the ending was to leave it open for them to make more. if it has a good enough feedback. oh this was from one of the guys who made the show.


Hey all,

I'm the sound re-recording mixer for the Resolute series and I'm so glad to hear all the things you like about this awesome new series. We worked really hard to bring this show to life and make it as viseral and sonically potent as possible. So, about the blood in the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow fight. If you saw the original animation you would have NO complaints!! When Storm Shadows arms are sliced, blood splatters everywhere and is dripping heavily from his arms. And when Snake Eyes gets stabbed through the hand, blood gushes from his hand and splatters on the ground. Unfortunately, Hasbro asked for this to be removed in order to be able to air it on television. We had added big blood splashes and dripping but ended up having to take it all out for network TV. Oh, also when Snake Eyes delivers the final "seventh" blow, blood oozes out of Storm Shadows eyes, nose and mouth (from under his mask). It was awesome! Hopefully when the DVD is released these will be added back in and you'll have your bloody ninja fight.

I hope you enjoy the finale tomorrow night. The show was moved to 9pm instead of midnight so get ready! And I hope you enjoy what the show sounds like. I did mix it in 5.1 surround sound and it sounds as good as any theatrical release out there. Again, unfortunately, you won't hear it in surround until the DVD is released, you'll hear the stereo mixdown on the TV broadcast.

Well, I'm glad the blood got edited out, then.

The way they're making it sound, it seems like there's blood in Mortal Kombat-esque levels there... Which is parodic in itself.

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I liked it. It was fun. It was cool. It was a cartoon. I'm not going to nitpick it. The new HISS tanks are awesome.

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Zartan? No way he's dead. though someones post about him being irradiated would be [LASER BLAST]. Really dug his accent btw.


Yea! Bring on Toxic Zartan!

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Is the finalé up on Adult Swim already? I need the direct link to the flv, please.

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