A Renegades figure, who only showed up in what? 3 episodes, released after the show is off the air, and based on a version of the character the fandom is divided on and shipped in two waves that practically shipped together.

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Seven total, although he was only in that specific outfit for one.

I suppose Hasbro just did him because it was cheaper than Roadblock (although IMO, a ROC Heavy Duty with a new head and the cancelled POC Heavy Duty's vest could work well enough for good ole Muttonchops if Hasbro feels like cheapening out again)

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They may not be able to use the RoC Heavy Duty mold though. Pity too, as it is a reasonable start for Roadblock.

Why not? They managed to reuse a lot of ROC Hawk for those Resolute sets, Neo-Viper lower legs were reused for Zandar, Zanzibar has ROC Storm Shadow's scarred chest, Quick Kick has ROC Storm Shadow's pants, etc.

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I didn't say they couldn't for sure, but the possibility exists. If they can, well, then I wish they'd have used at least the torso and arms for Red Dog instead of Bazooka.

Yeah, but Hasbro's train of thought there was probably that since Bazooka wore a football jersey and Red Dog is a former football player, that Bazooka's torso would work for Red Dog.

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Well, I long ago stopped caring which character Hasbro designates a particular figure to be, so he is not Ripcord in my display. (This way I don't have 30 Dukes to contend with each other, they can each be an individual member of the team)

No, my problem with this Ripcord, and the reason he is an easy pass for me, is that he is very bland, like most of his Renegades brethren. Duke, Scarlett, CC.... all so plain and boring, both in terms of design and gear.

Look at the recent ultimate Snake Eyes or Jungle Duke, or even 30th Storm Shadow. All those figures will probably be proudly sitting on my shelves for years to come they are so cool looking. But is anyone going to display many of the Renegades figs even a year from now? They are utterly forgettable.

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I will. I like a pared down figure. The "ultimate" Snake-Eyes may be a neat figure, but he's too damn busy and bland, color wise. I like the Renegades figs because they are sleek and fun toys. I don't have to keep up with a tiny silencer and a whole bunch of kit and caboodle.

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I have to agree, Scarlett I think it works for, but the rest I feel the exact same way. There is nothing spectacular about them.

Add to the fact that they are all characters I have seen so many times, Duke, SE, Tunnel Rat, Cobra Commander, Firefly, ect it causes me to think of them as double boring. Especially when compaired to the exciting designs of Storm Shadow, Techno Viper, Airtight, Lifeline, the renegades figs just don't hold up.

I think I will be buying a couple. The fact that it has AA bare arms, a unique head sculpt, and a good set of legs and knees will be great for customs.

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I love the heroin skinny look for Cobra Commander and his sweet long coat. And I am loving the other Renegades guys because of their clean slate fodder potential.

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I find this perspective interesting because it's based on many of the same perceptions I have but ends up in a very different place than I do.

While I absolutely love the new Airtight, Lifeline and Stormshadow (and have grown more fond of the Techno-Viper) I would never call their designs exciting, as to me that would imply there was something new or unexpected to them. The reason I love those figures is that their designs are so faithfully translated from the original character card art. I guess I did get excited about them, but only because 25th-style versions were long overdue. I was pleased with their very conventional designs as a nostalgic collector.

The renegades figures, on the other hand, I was not excited for in the least until after I got them in hand and realized how versatile the core design was. As a Customizer, that was something new and full of possibilities. So I would call their design (or at least the elements shared by Duke, Ripcord and Tunnel Rat) exciting.

And, since none of them -- even Cobra Commander -- are being used as the characters they were intended to be, the core character fatigue is really a non-issue for me where these particular figures are concerned (in fact, it was more of an issue with 30th Stormy).

I know the Renegades Storm Shadow is a great figure because it has the added wrists and combines the Renegades look with his 1st appearance look, but how is his design not just as boring as any of the other 40 or so Storm Shadows released in the line?

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Hmm, a valid question. I think it's more the execution of the design (and the plethora of weapons) that people are really excited about. It's a "definitive" version of the classic figure design, much like POC Wave 3 Snake Eyes, that does basically everything right. Or as I heard it described by someone else, "This is how I thought my Storm Shadow figure looked back when I was a kid."

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Level of sculpted detail, amount of accessories, being an "ultimate" version just like the very popular yet very repetitve POC Snake-Eyes.

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