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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:40 pm 

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That still doesn't explain how they dropped the ball on the A-10. They had a working model built and ready to go and the plans just *poof!* and they were like, :hasbronerd: "What A-10?"

Since then, Hasbro has released an updated Rattler and Tiger Rat, Chap Mei released their version, PTE released theirs, and now Playmates has their "micro" version. All of them seemed/seem to be selling ok.

I got the feeling that 21st just didn't like modern armor, jets, and helicopters. Maybe there is not enough money in it and that is why. I mean they'd have to pay for licensing and hit just the right market. Not too many people will drop $200 on a jet the size of a table.


Oh the A-10 is rumoured for next year. ;)


Right after the Phantom comes out ;)

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Wouldn't mind if they re released that Cobra gunship they had out at wal mart that you can't find anymore myself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0391387541 You mean that one or the other one w/o the cobra on the side? I'd agree it's sick..and I wish I'd paid more attention to those lines, esp. the jets that BBi put out. Definitely at least a blackhawk helicopter.

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:43 pm 
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Wouldn't mind if they re released that Cobra gunship they had out at wal mart that you can't find anymore myself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0391387541 You mean that one or the other one w/o the cobra on the side? I'd agree it's sick..and I wish I'd paid more attention to those lines, esp. the jets that BBi put out. Definitely at least a blackhawk helicopter.



Yep thats the one. They still have the BBI Pavehawk at one of the Caboose Hobbies here in Denver. Still over $50 though for it.

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:33 am 
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Those schemes will do fine. Maybe not here, but they'll do alright. America isn't the only market in the world, and i assure you that 2-seat Flanker is almost certainly aimed at the Chinese market.

The FlaK 36 wasn't hard to find. Monkey Depot blew them out for less than 30 bucks for a couple of weeks, and it's still available for less than retail.

The MiG-21, B-25 and F-4 were all _____ talk by 21st, they didn't exist in any form, well the F-4 "prototype" was a model kit they had built at the last minute to block Admiral when they announced theirs. Blame 21st for not having one of those.

I agree on the Hind. Soviet desert camo.

Ah...didn't take other markets into consideration. My oversight. :-)

Jeez...wish I'd known MD was clearing their Flaks out. Ah well, at least it did get released...no such luck on the King Tiger, though. :-/

So they cock-blocked Admiral on the F-4. Wonder if that was because 21st was bitter about the whole Me-262 thing... :lol:
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That still doesn't explain how they dropped the ball on the A-10. They had a working model built and ready to go and the plans just *poof!* and they were like, :hasbronerd: "What A-10?" I got the feeling that 21st just didn't like modern armor, jets, and helicopters. Maybe there is not enough money in it and that is why. I mean they'd have to pay for licensing and hit just the right market. Not too many people will drop $200 on a jet the size of a table.

I agree, pluv...21st had no love for modern-era (late Cold War) stuff. Sure, they had a handful of modern-era items...but I guess that's just not where they wanted to go with it all. On the flipside of that, I'm glad they did as much German stuff as they did...they fulfilled a lot of my kid dreams of having Joe-compatible German vehicles/equipment :-)

I agree, too, with the point that there aren't many folks who will drop $200 apiece on modern 1:18 aircraft that won't fly. Most toy collectors today are cheap-asses waiting on stuff to hit clearance before they'll think about picking it up (of which, I admit my guilt :-P ). But then, for the toymaker it's a matter of picking the RIGHT aircraft. I don't envy them that task. I think they've got some good ones to start with here, and some good repaints for the existing molds on the P-38 and F4U.

We already know there's an active market for WWII 1:18 plane collectors, who regularly drop $100+ on the old 21st planes. Plenty of product floating around out there...has been for almost ten years now. A quick check of Ebay for sold BBI F-16s and F-18s, though, would lead me to believe that $200 per plane is an acceptable market price for modern-era aircraft new product. Though it's just a small cross-section of the market there on Ebay, I don't think JSI will have any trouble moving product, based on that activity. :-)

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:18 pm 
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Vomit.

I had one of those loose and I couldn't give it away to save my own life. I had it at a local GIJoe swap meet and accidentally dropped it down the stairs so it just ended up in the trash. Now they are selling for $130+ on ebay MIB. The collector market is so odd sometimes.

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:37 pm 
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Those AH-1 Cobras are unbelievable. I want one, and I see them on eBay from time to time, usually they start out at resonable prices between $20 and $50, but usually end up selling for close to $200. Even the UH-1 Huey is difficult to come by.

I'd even settle for the inferior CrApache.

What I'd like to see is an AV-8B Harrier in 1:18. As far as Soviet planes go, I'd love to see a MiG-29 or better yet, an SU-47. That SU-47 is about 18 different kinds of badask. Something just downright evil looking about it.

I seems like these companies prefer the WWII (and early jets) era planes simply because of size. A cold war+ fighter is usually twice the size of a WWII plane. I'd pay up to $100, $125 for the F-14 or an F/A-18, but the prices they're asking is a bit steep.

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:39 am 
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What I'd like to see is an AV-8B Harrier in 1:18.

Wasn't that another 21st Century "we've got this in the works (but we really don't)" project?

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:59 am 
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What I'd like to see is an AV-8B Harrier in 1:18.

Wasn't that another 21st Century "we've got this in the works (but we really don't)" project?


I don't think so. Chap Mei has one though.


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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:43 pm 
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I Googled the Chap Mei Harrier and found some pix on YoJoe. It is as much a Harrier as the Skystriker is an F-14. It has the look, but just not quite all there. It'd do in a pinch if I needed it tho.

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 7:45 pm 
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PaidLoad wrote:
Right after the Phantom comes out ;)


I really wasn't kidding. :-P

Their website is up...
http://www.js-int.net/index.html

Lots of old molds mixed in with the new ones.
I bet they will re-release the Cobra someday too.


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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:23 am 
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Their website is up...
http://www.js-int.net/index.html
Lots of old molds mixed in with the new ones. I bet they will re-release the Cobra someday too.

Impressive. It would be nice to see the Cobra in another paint scheme. Hoping they'll re-release the Panzer III/IV as well...didn't see many of those on the shelf.

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:27 am 

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Goldbug wrote:
PaidLoad wrote:
Right after the Phantom comes out ;)


I really wasn't kidding. :-P

Their website is up...
http://www.js-int.net/index.html

Lots of old molds mixed in with the new ones.
I bet they will re-release the Cobra someday too.


Hey I just remember there being some big to-do about the Phantom being a plane they had scheduled and then never put out heh...nice find on the site. They have an interesting company logo, took me a second to figure out that it was their initials. Now if only they'd put up prices!

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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:41 pm 
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Those AH-1 Cobras are unbelievable. I want one, and I see them on eBay from time to time, usually they start out at resonable prices between $20 and $50, but usually end up selling for close to $200. Even the UH-1 Huey is difficult to come by.

I'd even settle for the inferior CrApache.

What I'd like to see is an AV-8B Harrier in 1:18. As far as Soviet planes go, I'd love to see a MiG-29 or better yet, an SU-47. That SU-47 is about 18 different kinds of badask. Something just downright evil looking about it.

I seems like these companies prefer the WWII (and early jets) era planes simply because of size. A cold war+ fighter is usually twice the size of a WWII plane. I'd pay up to $100, $125 for the F-14 or an F/A-18, but the prices they're asking is a bit steep.



The MiG might happen, but i doubt the Berkut will. It's just a one-off technology demonstrator. It would be cool though, slap some Cobra emblems on it.

Having a Super Cobra i feel qualified to say that they really aren't worth what they tend to go for on the aftermarket.

Pretty limited repaint potential if you keeping in American livery, but that doesn't seem to be an issue for JSI, so if the mold wasn't destroyed as rumored they could probably make bank on it.

They're hinting at a few things they shouldn't be wasting time with, especially those M16 multiple gun motor carriages.

WWII works because it has a pretty wide following. The aircraft are considerably smaller (fighters anyhow) that make them manageable in 1:18. Jet aircraft leave few options that are both popular enough AND are financially feasible enough to market.

The F-104 sure as hell wasn't one of those. Korean era is also a really limited interest market, so the MiGs and Sabers were kinda a shaky idea.

We'll see what happens, but i'd take JSI with a grain of salt until they get some stuff to market. The rumor that they won't include pilots with their modern jets is something 21st might pull.


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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:25 pm 
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roguetiger wrote:
Wouldn't mind if they re released that Cobra gunship they had out at wal mart that you can't find anymore myself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0391387541 You mean that one or the other one w/o the cobra on the side? I'd agree it's sick..and I wish I'd paid more attention to those lines, esp. the jets that BBi put out. Definitely at least a blackhawk helicopter.


Wow, I remember seeing those at a local WM like 6 years ago, on clearance, :-( wish I stocked up. That'd look sweet repainted as a new Dragonfly.


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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:47 pm 
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PaidLoad wrote:
Hey I just remember there being some big to-do about the Phantom being a plane they had scheduled and then never put out heh...nice find on the site. They have an interesting company logo, took me a second to figure out that it was their initials. Now if only they'd put up prices!


Actually I think that was BBi. Wasn't this one http://smalljoes.com/cgi-bin/pgen.cgi?S ... =EFPHANTOM
supposed to be 1/18?
SmallJoes has some of the WWII fighters on pre-order...
http://smalljoes.com/cat/JSI-Industries ... --96.shtml


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 Post subject: Re: 21st Century Toys is no more buy 1:18th Tomcat is coming
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:56 pm 
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Goldbug wrote:
PaidLoad wrote:
Hey I just remember there being some big to-do about the Phantom being a plane they had scheduled and then never put out heh...nice find on the site. They have an interesting company logo, took me a second to figure out that it was their initials. Now if only they'd put up prices!


Actually I think that was BBi. Wasn't this one http://smalljoes.com/cgi-bin/pgen.cgi?S ... =EFPHANTOM
supposed to be 1/18?
SmallJoes has some of the WWII fighters on pre-order...
http://smalljoes.com/cat/JSI-Industries ... --96.shtml



No, Admiral Toys announced their intention to do the Phantom and 21st scrambled to claim they were also doing one, and undercut them with the price of 89.99.


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