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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:00 pm 
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You answered your own question with the mention of Boba Fett.

Sarlacc snack's visual resume (judging by the original first films) wasn't impressive, nor was his look for that matter. I'd buy IG-88 as more formidable in appearance.

Yet Snacky's got a massive following, with both fanboy and actors alike, there is no denying that. Same for Aurra Sing. Screen time, less than a minute or two at best, Media output, massive.


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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:49 pm 
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I really can't add anything that everyone else hasnt already said. I agree with the point: The cool Intro, the fact that she is a Powerful Female character, "LASER BLASTS",.. Etc.



...and Big Lob!

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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:52 pm 
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I don't get it... What did Big Lob have to do with people liking Pythona again? Did she cut off his lame ass, unoriginal cliche-ridden head or something? I don't remember, it's been a long time since I watched the movie...

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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:04 pm 
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Lance Sputnik wrote:
I don't get it... What did Big Lob have to do with people liking Pythona again? Did she cut off his lame ass, unoriginal cliche-ridden head or something? I don't remember, it's been a long time since I watched the movie...



uhhh,.. Hello,.. Have we Met?

it was a joke,... Im probably one of Big Lob's biggest supporters for a Figure,.. I thought I would just squeze him in. :-)

That being said. I though not including Pythona into the mix, who WAS a fan favorite, was wrong. Mainly because of Hasbro's cliche of "Girls in Boy's Toy lines Don't sell" Back in the 80's (notice none of the Transformers females ever got made, either) I mean, she was the Only Cobra-La character who had the most Dialogue in the movie, as well as being a interesting looking character, concept wise.

I just wonder how they're gonna pull off the acid, blade Deathstrike-esque hands. (extra hands in the package?)

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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:14 pm 
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Being a Joe cartoon\comic fan, I understand your perspective and hope to at least answer some of your points from my POV.


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People have always seemed to have a degree of disdain for Cobra La in general, from what I've observed anyway. The figures were crappy, the characters were "LASER BLAST" and they ruined Cobra Commander AND Serpentor's origins in the movie.


The majority of people that I have found who have a disdain for Cobra-La are usually comic-centric fans. They have a tendency to discount the toon because they see the comic continuity as the one and only.

The ones who "tend to" like the concept were those cartoon-centric fans who weren't too attached to the comic continuity.

I agree that the design of Golobby was horrendous. He was and still is a plant spike. Nemmy was gimped but it was in line (more or less) with the other releases at that time. I personally think that the Royal Guard is a pretty good army builder for what it is. He turns out the best of all 3.

Personally, I really liked the way they beat down on the Joes initially and even how they treated CC. Watching the RG backslap SE and throw Quick Kick into a tree always gets me laughing.

One thing I always kept in mind was that the toon and comic were never in sync. They really are two separate continuities. Because of that, they were able to deal with CC and Serpentor's origins differently.

Just because it isn't written in the comic, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There is room for both to co-exist for the wide range of fans.


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Why is that? She wasn't some kind of pivotal character to the mythos, she wasn't some super cool character design that we got short changed out of. She was just some weird looking snake voiced bald chick. The movie and the things that happened therein are pretty much disregarded for most people (again, based on my observations) and her silly body suit with that ugly blotchy uh, pattern wasn't even a cool design.


I'll disagree with what some of the guys said about the intro. Her introduction was nice but its her battlefield commander role for Golobulus which helps to affirm her character. She was a strong female lead villain that offset the female Joes.

Given the usual one-episode style writing in the cartoon mythos, she did turn out to be a pivotal character in the toon mythos. As I said before, those who disregard the movie and things therein are "usually" comic-centric fans. The whole suit color\design thing is a matter of personal preference.

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I mean, this is COBRA-LA here, it's not Boba Fett. What is the big draw? I seriously don't get it. Why all the fanfare for such a small, uninspired part of the mythos?


The big draw is the fantasy aspect which the characters and concept bought to Gi Joe. The GI Joe brand was always flexible enough with including other themes and concepts.

Case in point, I never understood how a failed used car salesman could become the leader of a global terrorist network. I also don't like the overused six-degrees of ninja separation along with use of the battle android troopers (a la Terminator). I hate to say it but the comic was all over the place too.

Keep in mind, I am a strong fan of the comic and re-read the entire series frequently. As an adult trying to compare how realistic it is, several aspects of the comic just doesn't make sense when thinking of it critically. That doesn't mean it's uninspired. It just means that I don't agree with it.

But I do take a step back, realize that it is its own continuity and enjoy it for what it is. Its Joe and how can you go wrong with that? Yo Joe!

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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:22 pm 
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Heh... I only got the comic for about a year or two when I was a kid, so I pretty much disregard most of that too. I don't really adhere to any particular 'canon' other than filecards for the most part.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:04 pm 
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I look at it like this, Cobra La is a small part of GIJoe. It was a clandestine group behind Cobra Commander. 3 figures from 87 did not destroy the toyline (look more to spring loaded crap, neon colors, ninjas, and a lessening of patriotism of toy buying kids in the mid-90s for the real reasons, I believe). Cobra Commander was still the villain and Sunbow always intended to bring him back. Turn into a snake, comes back with a vengeance. That's the storyarch, Its just, it never came about. Ok, ok, DIC did their version of it, but I am certain whatever was originally planned would have been a million times better. Ah well.

Is Pythona the Boba Fett of GIJoe? Lets see. She's cool looking. She kicks butt. She a sexy bald chick with a ponytail. She was a cool voice. Her infiltration of the Terrortrome is one of the best sequences in any Joe toon. She seemed to have the hots for Serpentor (this has been disputed, I think it is true). I just find the character compelling visually and personality wise. She is Serpentor's equal, definitely, probably the only person who could serve as his counter-part.

I can name countless wastes of plastics that have been given figures, meanwhile, a cool underrated character is still dangling out there just waiting for a fig. Bring on another Snake Eyes repaint, eh? Ho hum ho hum.


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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:45 pm 
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GITrekker wrote:
toy-nutz wrote:
I really liked the concept art for Pythona that was at this year JoeCon. If it wasn't so expensive I was going to buy it. Also wish my camera did not die as I lost all my JoeCon pics as I was wanting to try a custom of her.
Question -- was this concept art from the 1980's or something more recent? Do you recall the artist?


It was the original concept from the 80s. By the guy they had at the last Con that did all the in-house concept art, I forget his name. I keep wanting to say Dave Dorman, but I don't think it was him.

Anyway, he wouldn't let people take pics of the pic for various reasons, mostly centered around wanting to sell the original. As to what she looked like, think of an evil Red Sonja as girlfriend of Thulsa Doom and you're probably close to the mark. I know I'd take a fig of her in a heartbeat. How cool would it be if we could get a Concept line like the SW McQuarrie figs?

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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:19 pm 
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AdrienVeidt wrote:
GITrekker wrote:
toy-nutz wrote:
I really liked the concept art for Pythona that was at this year JoeCon. If it wasn't so expensive I was going to buy it. Also wish my camera did not die as I lost all my JoeCon pics as I was wanting to try a custom of her.
Question -- was this concept art from the 1980's or something more recent? Do you recall the artist?


It was the original concept from the 80s. By the guy they had at the last Con that did all the in-house concept art, I forget his name. I keep wanting to say Dave Dorman, but I don't think it was him.

Anyway, he wouldn't let people take pics of the pic for various reasons, mostly centered around wanting to sell the original. As to what she looked like, think of an evil Red Sonja as girlfriend of Thulsa Doom and you're probably close to the mark. I know I'd take a fig of her in a heartbeat. How cool would it be if we could get a Concept line like the SW McQuarrie figs?
Was it Ron Rudat? I believe he was at the Convention, too. I guess I can understand is reasons, but I'd still love to see the artwork someway somehow.


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 Post subject: Re: Pythona?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:26 pm 
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um...because she got me through many a long, lonely night? :shifty:

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What's not to like about a raspy-voiced woman with reptile eyes and lavender skin?

Like GI Trekker pointed out, Pythona was a female character when there weren't many fresh ones.

As for Swindle's point- making any figures except more Snake-Eyes figures- I totally agree. There are currently eight different 25A versions of Snake-Eyes! I'll concede the "need" for two of those, still leaving six wasted spaces that could have been other characters.

To make everyone happy, that could been 2 previously existing characters, 2 MASK characters in the Joeverse, and 2 Cartoon figures. But no, Hasbro figures we want more Snake-Eyes figures!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:14 pm 
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It' her eyes.

The 2-pack that should have been but never was Big lob vs Pythona

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Pythona was awesome, still is. She was one of the best characters in the movie and I liked the cartoons(movie) and the comic.I sure hope we get a 25th version of her she'd be cool and look great next to Nemesis Enforcer.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:38 pm 
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How about because she hasn't been made yet. There are toons of toon and comic characters that are dieing to be made instead of Duke version 101 or Snake Eyes version 5002. If these were Star Wars characters they would already have a dozen figures made of them already. It took 20 years for the OG to show up in the line and they were pivatol recurring characters in both the cartoon and the comic. It would be nice to see as the line grows they throw a bone to us with characters that should be represented in toy form.

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I can't see Pythona selling well in the mass-market, but she'd be a great idea for a mail-away ala "Doc".


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