What is Rock & Roll's Machine Gun?

Renegade · **Joined:** Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:20 pm

momaw nadon wrote:

This was one thing I couldn't understand. Why did Hasbro give an elite unit member in the 80s (time line from back in the day) a 40s era machinegun? It really makes no sense if you use today’s time line. Yes, the MG42 was a formidable weapon, but even Rock n' Roll hybrid M-60 machinegun from ’82 was a better choice. Really he needs an M-60 (which looks like an 80s era M-60). The M-60 is lighter and works just as well as MG42. When the military of any country upgrades, they're always trying to reduce equipment weight the normal trooper has to carry. One advantage of reduced weight means the trooper can carry more ammo and necessities, which leads to less relying on resupplying and over all operational cost. Most elite units don’t get the normal resupply runs of the every day general infantry to begin with. Most are expected to operate with little to no support for the duration of any giving mission, so it’s just an odd choice for any special elite unit to be given a throw back from past. What do you think?
momaw nadon

Rock N Roll can totally just jump on his sweet RAM CYCLE and go back to HQ for restocking in a minute whenever he needs to :-P

Konigstiger · **Joined:** Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:24 am

roguetiger wrote:

Konigstiger wrote:

Well, since we're anal, let's be really anal and tell Hasbro they have to pack-in two green shirt figures with every Roadblock because it's a crew-served weapon. :whistling:

Don't sweat weapons choices folks, remember the alternative.

In Roadblocks first comic appearance he shot down the Rattler with the 50 cal. And they said its due to his strength that he can hold it.

Know anyone to do it in real life?

Exactly.

So why get your nose out of joint over a character using a throwback to WWII?

Renegade · **Joined:** Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:20 pm

Konigstiger wrote:

So why get your nose out of joint over a character using a throwback to WWII?

was just out of left field I think.

super strong machine gunners are kinda expected, while outdated gear on an elite team is weird.

next we'll get men dressed as domestic animals and vampires coming back to life as Cobra leaders.

Konigstiger · **Joined:** Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:24 am

Gaigaan-Dnok · **Posted:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:19 pm

Konigstiger wrote:

Well, since we're anal, let's be really anal and tell Hasbro they have to pack-in two green shirt figures with every Roadblock because it's a crew-served weapon. :whistling:

Honestly I think that would be cool if they did!

Konigstiger · **Joined:** Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:24 am

Works for me. :lol:

momaw nadon · **Posted:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:55 pm

Konigstiger wrote:

It's the MG3, the "modern" equivalent of the 42.

I think people should be more irked at the scale issue than the actual fact of what the gun is. RnR is a heavy machine gunner, that means he needs to lay down lots of lead. The MG 3, even 42 lays down more than anything in the US inventory short of the M134. Contrary to posted the M60 never really lived up to expectations.

If you're gonna be this anal i don't wanna see any of your Roadblocks packing that Ma Deuce either.

Can't wait to hear the [LASER BLAST] about the Para-Viper's FG 42-anti tank rifle hybrid.

Gaigaan-Dnok wrote:

And if we are going to be anal, I will point out that the M-60 and other such Squad Auotmatic Weapons (SAW) are LIGHT machine guns (LMG) not heavy machine guns.

Heavy Machine Guns are generally vehicle mounted types. The M2 is considered a Heavy Machine Gun, hence Roadblock was a "Heavy Machine Gunner". Rock and Roll is just a "Machine Gunner" :-P

I'm not really complaining about the choice of the gun, because I like the German weapons myself. The MG42 was one of the best machinegun made. Simple uses, maintain, etc. One reason the design is still around after all these years. The M-60 might not compair to the MG42, but again they are different class of weapons. Version of the M-60 are still used today also, so it couldn't have been that bad for it to still be in service.

Going back to why I pointed it out in the first place was it's just odd to have an elite "US" unit to have something like this. Really I never liked the laser gun aspect of GI Joe ether, but I just wondering about the throwback weapons. I guess the unrealistic nature of GI Joe is why it's still around. Anything that would be realistic to the t would not last this long with all the peace loving tree huggers :-P

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momaw nadon

Gaigaan-Dnok · **Posted:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:18 pm

momaw nadon wrote:

Going back to why I pointed it out in the first place was it's just odd to have an elite "US" unit to have something like this.

Actually, not really.
In Vietnam there were units using WWII equipment such as the M1 Carbine and M1A1 Thompson.

IIRC there are currently USMC units that have started to re-issue some M14's.

Heck look how long the AK-47 has been around, or even the 1911. And they still see A LOT of use in modern day warfare.

So the idea of GI Joe using whatever equipment they feel will get the job done the best, actually doesn't seem too far out there, IMHO.

Konigstiger · **Joined:** Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:24 am

momaw nadon wrote:

Konigstiger wrote:

It's the MG3, the "modern" equivalent of the 42.

I think people should be more irked at the scale issue than the actual fact of what the gun is. RnR is a heavy machine gunner, that means he needs to lay down lots of lead. The MG 3, even 42 lays down more than anything in the US inventory short of the M134. Contrary to posted the M60 never really lived up to expectations.

If you're gonna be this anal i don't wanna see any of your Roadblocks packing that Ma Deuce either.

Can't wait to hear the [LASER BLAST] about the Para-Viper's FG 42-anti tank rifle hybrid.

Gaigaan-Dnok wrote:

And if we are going to be anal, I will point out that the M-60 and other such Squad Auotmatic Weapons (SAW) are LIGHT machine guns (LMG) not heavy machine guns.

Heavy Machine Guns are generally vehicle mounted types. The M2 is considered a Heavy Machine Gun, hence Roadblock was a "Heavy Machine Gunner". Rock and Roll is just a "Machine Gunner" :-P

I'm not really complaining about the choice of the gun, because I like the German weapons myself. The MG42 was one of the best machinegun made. Simple uses, maintain, etc. One reason the design is still around after all these years. The M-60 might not compair to the MG42, but again they are different class of weapons. Version of the M-60 are still used today also, so it couldn't have been that bad for it to still be in service.

Going back to why I pointed it out in the first place was it's just odd to have an elite "US" unit to have something like this. Really I never liked the laser gun aspect of GI Joe ether, but I just wondering about the throwback weapons. I guess the unrealistic nature of GI Joe is why it's still around. Anything that would be realistic to the t would not last this long with all the peace loving tree huggers :-P

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momaw nadon

The Army has a tendency to like to use crap, but not admit that it is. (OH-58, M92, M-16 family of weapons)

The MG 3 is roughly the same age as the M-60, and is still in service in several countries, Hell, the M-60 was patterned off the 42. I'd rather ask myself why an elite pilot like Wild Bill would use cap and ball revolvers rather than why Rock n Roll would use a fairly current MG that's better than what's in the US inventory.

pluv · **Posted:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:30 pm

Konigstiger wrote:

I'd rather ask myself why an elite pilot like Wild Bill would use cap and ball revolvers rather than why Rock n Roll would use a fairly current MG that's better than what's in the US inventory.

Konigstiger, Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson would like to have a word with you outside.

momaw nadon · **Posted:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:39 pm

Gaigaan-Dnok wrote:

Actually, not really.
In Vietnam there were units using WWII equipment such as the M1 Carbine and M1A1 Thompson.

IIRC there are currently USMC units that have started to re-issue some M14's.

Heck look how long the AK-47 has been around, or even the 1911. And they still see A LOT of use in modern day warfare.

M1 and Tommy Gun are just mean weapons. If the Tommy Gun was lighter with less kickback, it would most likely still be used today. 45 round is a really killer to throw around and packs one hell of a punch for the cartage size.

FYI on the USMC, they normally get the left overs of any and all equipment. M-14 though was not a bad rifle back in the day. Under today's standard it lacks though.

AK family is another example of a simple used, maintain, etc weapon. Most AK-47 are in the hands of third world countries. I would think Cobra would be using the newer version of the AKs, mainly the AK-74 and/or AK-103.

Konigstiger wrote:

The MG 3 is roughly the same age as the M-60, and is still in service in several countries, Hell, the M-60 was patterned off the 42. I'd rather ask myself why an elite pilot like Wild Bill would use cap and ball revolvers rather than why Rock n Roll would use a fairly current MG that's better than what's in the US inventory.

Good point, but I always looked at that as his personal weapons. Him being a cowboy and all. Rock 'n Roll was a surfer/guitarist, so I wouldn't think he has an MG42 back home.

I'm not going to get into a my gun is bigger than yours match with you, as I like firearms from many countries. I don't really think any one is the best for everything. Some are better suited for jobs and what they were designed for, but not one would work for everything. One reason there are so many different types. M-16 and AK-47 are both great rifles, but they have their pros and cons.

momaw nadon

roguetiger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:26 pm

The news said the main reason the Marines and Special Forces are carrying the M-14 is cause it has better stopping power than the M-4 or M-16. It fires a larger cartridge and will put a person down with one shot instead of multiples.

Greyryder · **Joined:** Sun May 25, 2008 9:59 pm

I think Wild Bill's pistols make a bit more sense, than Rock N' Roll using a WWII era German machine gun. Some people preffer revolvers to autos, because they feel that they're more reliable. His file card even says that he preffers them, despite being qualified on the M1911 automatic pistol. Besides, he's modelled after Viet Nam era combat helo pilots, and those guys were pretty flamboyant. A lot of them even carried civil war vintage sabers.

Not only are the various armed forces going back to the M14, (mostly issuing it as a Marksman rifle) but there are at least three modern chassis for it, that include pickadilly rails, including the SOPMOD, (which is unfortunately a carbine) the Navy's Mod 0, and the Sage chassis.

I think they're looking for a new replacement for it, though. The M14's lineage basically goes back to the Springfield rifle. At least they've finally realized that there's a need for a 7.62 calibre rifle.

Anybody know if they're still looking for a new .45 pistol? I know they were looking for one a few years back, but I haven't heard anything about it lately.

Konigstiger · **Joined:** Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:24 am

Konigstiger wrote:

The MG 3 is roughly the same age as the M-60, and is still in service in several countries, Hell, the M-60 was patterned off the 42. I'd rather ask myself why an elite pilot like Wild Bill would use cap and ball revolvers rather than why Rock n Roll would use a fairly current MG that's better than what's in the US inventory.

Good point, but I always looked at that as his personal weapons. Him being a cowboy and all. Rock 'n Roll was a surfer/guitarist, so I wouldn't think he has an MG42 back home.

I'm not going to get into a my gun is bigger than yours match with you, as I like firearms from many countries. I don't really think any one is the best for everything. Some are better suited for jobs and what they were designed for, but not one would work for everything. One reason there are so many different types. M-16 and AK-47 are both great rifles, but they have their pros and cons.

momaw nadon[/quote]

Well, at least they didn't give him the v.2's minigun contraptions, eh? ;-)

ogre_h · **Joined:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:19 am

The M14s that are seeing service today have been extensively refurbished, usually to the M21 standard, and are usually confined to the Designated Marksman role.
the only M60s in use today are the E3, & E4 versions, which have been heavily modified and used by the special forces.
The FN Mag/M240 has replaced the M60 in many units.
One of the reasons for the Mg42/3 success was its quick change barrel, which allowed gun crews to take advantage of its high rate of fire.
Oh and the MG3 fires NATO standard 7.62 round while the MG42 fired the Whermacht 7.92 round.

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