point taken.. but I can also accept that dispite the fact that i like Big Lob,. a LOT of people don't.

my point is the DEGREE Of DISLIKE. I like the character, another group says "eh" some treat him in the same bracket as Crystal Ball and Raptor,. then others wouldnt use him to scrape crap off their shoe.

these are the things not really reflected in some polls, the degree of dislike. I mean, would it be fair to say that everyone at Joecustoms dislikes Mastercollector, just based on the answers in the dislike thread? but without the degree of dislikes, or factoring in the likes,and using the people that really dont care either way as a control,.. the data is skewed.



again, point taken... one of the reasons why I posted this thread, is to get people to help collect, process and recheck the data. that way other perspectives can unbias any skewed data or the perception that the data is biased.

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How about posting a question like ZG did over on the other boards and see how people respond to them? This would add to your info and see if its just this board or not. You also forget General Hawk runs his own board as well as posts here and he also posted here so saying its this board alone is biased or hates MC is being biased on yourself cause the question isn't on the other boards to be answered. Even post it on Master Collectors main board and see what people say. I bet you'll see a lot of people respond to it if asked the same way ZG did. What MC does RIGHT? and What MC does that needs improvement? on the other boards. Then see what replies you get.

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uh dude, you didnt see my " what was great about the joecon" and What Sucked about the joecon" all over the place?

but, again (using Big Lob as an example) Ive come to the conclusion that Big Lob is disliked ACROSS ALL Boards. he is just as unpopular on JC as he is On JB, or on Hisstank, or TNI.

.and a perfect example of bias:

last years con may have had different effects on different boards. Joecustoms had a different experience between the lack of chairs for Hama, and the backlash when you won the COntest, whereas The JBL crew had a different experience, so did the TNI crew. and groups like Hisstank or Joedios may not have been represented by many. then there is also the control that several people (like myself) cross several boards, or even dont consider themselves part of a group, as the have friends on all boards.

this resulted in vastly different answers on different boards,.. or (like joesightings) almost no responces at all.which were factored it.

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Gorkon has to rear his ugly head from time to time...













Well. I can see we have a long way to go...

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Cui Bono?

KOP, i don't understand what good will come of this... The generalities, both good and bad, do nothing but polarize fans, possibly frustrating gijcc members further...and to what end? why bring this upon yourself and the community?
do you honestly believe that this/these surveys and polls will effect change for the convention(s)?

I might not go as far to call it an effort in futility, but imho, if you're looking for certain outcomes, possibly a petition would be better than a poll?

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this is gonna sound wierd....

but,. its the same reason why i posted the Black History thread,.. and got almost the same negative reaction.

...if you have to ask the question, then you wont understand the answer.

similar to:

...why do we continue to rage against Hasbro about Dukes arms, when they havent changed them yet?

...why do we continue to ask why star wars figures have t crotches, when its possible to fully articualte them?

or a personal question:

why do people keep trying to convince me to not do this at all, or tell me how wrong it is,.. instead of offering positive suggestions on how to do it beter.. or offering to help do it?

so far, this thread has gone almost 3 pages, and only one person has offered to help (which is my original question in the first place)

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I don't have problems with polls and think Zombieguide's two threads are really constructive. I don't have a problem with you, I don't know you. I have a problem with your polls because of how you run them and the negative vibes they bring to the boards. It's hard to critique your polls when you say my feedback is not being negative. For example, you said:



Or maybe I didn't bother to look at the recent poll that someone made because



So here is some positive feedback. Make sure you know what you're saying is accurate before you say it. Because I do not want someone that misunderstands my input releasing a poll that he claims reflects my opinion.

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seriously, if this is the answer to my question of 'why do this'....



then you're exactly right. i don't understand the answer...



i really don't have any criticism, constructive or negative, because i truly don't see the value in this.
i'll just make like a BadAsh pose, and butt out now.

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The two threads I started were based on this thread. In those threads I took a very, very neatral approach and they are not at all personal. They asked very politely, simply and opened ended 'What do they do right" and "What needs improvement". Both threads are getting plenty of responses. Those are actual statements made with little negativity that I believe are getting some of the answers your looking for.

Rather than using polls, ask a simple question then sit back and let everyone answer. There is no right or wrong, its only perspectives and they all should be taken seriously. I don't think many are responding here because of the reactions.

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see, heres the funny part. this is EXACTLY what I did last year witht he two threads i posted. and when I displayed the results.. THATS when everyone disagres, mainly because they disliked the results, not because the results are flawed.

and example: if I go by the results youve posted so far, apparently people on this board thinks the club needs improvement on a lot of criteria. but If i said joecustoms doesnt like the club, I am wrong. and even when guaging the answers, they stretch from the odd quibble, to the outright hatred of everything. same deal with the positive, people are quick to say the hated the food at the last dinner, buy neglect to post how much fun they had reguardless...however, Other's did. and it was reflected in the other poll results.

this is what I mean by persoal attacks. why is it when YOU do the EXACT same thing I did,.. no drama.. but when I do it... people ask me why. Has anyone asked you why you bothered to post your threads?



counter feedback: make sure you bother to ask what poll, or research the poll, or even contribute to the poll, before you completely reject its findings. I don't want someone complaining about a poll I did, claiming that it doesnt relfect their opinion, when they didnt bother to voice their opinion in the first place.

it isnt animosity Im trying to spread, but simply put, If I did post a "What was great/sucked about joecon 2008" (Like I did in 2007 and 2006) would you post? would you bother to voice your opinion, saying how much fun it was to hang out with your joe friends, and point out the errors that you had? THATS where I get some of my info from. I was going to combine this with a straw poll on some of the strong points (Dinner vs Buffet, price point vs Quality, Exclusives vs Mass market) Ive already said in an earlier post that you dont want to be a part of this,.. so whats the point of continued negativity? 'Cause actually, I would greatly want you to be a part of this, the ones who rage against the machine are the ones I want to try to fix it.

...so do you have any ideas to do it better?




ok,.. heres my point: try explaining to other adults why you're a grown man who still plays with toys,.. and you'll see my point in futility in explaining your motivations in something...

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